LEGO SYSTEM Space : 9302


Space / 9302

Wings [was: Re: Building big] —William R. Ward

"Jesse Alan Long" <joyous4god2@yahoo.com> writes: [...] (...) [...] Actually, this is false. Space is a vacuum - there is no air, only a few stray molecules of gas or cosmic dust. As a result, there is no friction and thus no need for wings or (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Jesse Alan Long

(...) The Apollo space craft were essentially rockets that allowed for humans to live inside of them in a small compartment and your fuel was primarily used for sending you into outer space and not necessarily down from space. The fuel that was left (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Dave Schuler

Hi Jesse: (...) A distinction must be made between controlled and uncontrolled re-entry. In the case of the Apollo (and various other pre-shuttle craft) entry was controlled, to an extent, as you indicate. Of course friction was still intense, but (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Jesse Alan Long

(...) Dave, you are correct in observing a small mistake concerning the rockets. There were parachutes that helped the rockets land in the ocean but even so, in a unique way, the parachute acted not only with but against the retro rockets because (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —William R. Ward

(...) There are no retro rockets used in an Apollo re-entry to Earth. Only the heat of friction and the parachutes slow the ship down from orbital speeds to the slow speed required for a safe splashdown. (...) If there was such a laboratory it would (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Kyle D. Jackson

(...) [snip] (...) <Chuckle> Well, this is close, but not entirely correct :] The airplane goes into a climb, and then in one fluid motion levels and enters a dive. It's during the arced portion of the flight that the occupants experience zero-G. (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Jesse Alan Long

(...) I think I was possibly referring to the "vomit comet" when I was talking about the laboratory, Bill. I do appreciate the fact that you made me consider an attempt on weightlessness I never thought of in my mind when you mentioned the swimming (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Greg Perry

In lugnet.space, Jesse Alan Long writes: (snipped some stuff) (...) (snipped the rest of the scientific discussion) I think you've failed to consider that a bulky ugly craft with lots of antennas and other pointy pieces would be very handy when (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Jon Palmer

lol.... (...) those (...) that (...) for (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Kerry Raymond

(...) those (...) that (...) for (...) And what happens if you need to detect that undetectable tachyon pulse signature and you've left off the tachyon pulse antenna?! It makes me sick the way that spaceships have got so fashionable now that (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Irresponsible use of spacecraft (was Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big]) —Richie Dulin

(...) :) Yes. People should buy much more economical atmospheric craft if they're not going into outer space. Just think of the extra fuel used by dragging those hyperspace drives around with your atmospheric thrusters. Sure, you can see over the (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Steve Bliss

(...) I'm getting this image of a gargatuan space ship, rapidly approaching and decelerating. As it draws near, the large tachyon pulse antenna switchblades out from the port side... Steve (23 years ago, 21-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —John Kornhaus

(...) ...In the heat of battle, the captain presses the wrong button to engage the maxi*zappo ray gun, and out pops the intergalactic corkscrew and fish scaler. <duck and run> jk (23 years ago, 24-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Jesse Alan Long

(...) Did you ever see the Millennium Falcon in the first Star Wars motion picture where that space craft travelled inside a crater to hide from the Galactic Empire and they flew inside a space monster? I thought that the Sarlacc Pit Monster (which (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Greg Perry

(...) No I'm not familiar with that motion picture. That's keen that they featured an Asteroid Cave-Mouth Monster in a movie. I just hope that it wasn't a comedy because the danger posed by these creatures to space ships is very real and no laughing (...) (23 years ago, 22-Jun-01, to lugnet.space) !

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Jesse Alan Long

(...) I am sorry that I confused you on the motion picture Star Wars but if you wish to know more about Star Wars, there is a seperate discussion board on Lugnet for Star Wars Lego sets and if that does not satisfy your interests, then go to (URL) . (...) (23 years ago, 22-Jun-01, to lugnet.space)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Tim Courtney

(...) I really don't think you confused him. Maybe I'm giving it away, but it was all well crafted sarcasm. (...) AMAZING! Those movies sound pretty neat. I wonder why I haven't seen those before, being a space nut and all. Are they in theatres or (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Dave Low

(...) I believe there is also an Episode I: The Phantom Menace (recently released), and there may also be sequels to Episode I, called Episode II and Episode III, forming a prequel trilogy. Who knows what types of Freudian Symbol Monsters might (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Jesse Alan Long

(...) I believe that your comment about those monsters in Episode II and Episode III of the new Star Wars Trilogy. The monsters near the city of Otoh Gunga were scary enough for me. The comment about the stud length is a generally accepted standard (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Kyle D. Jackson

(...) I have posted this message by accident---please ignore it everyone. Thanx ;] KDJ ___...___ LUGNETer #203, Windsor, Ontario, Canada (23 years ago, 23-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Kyle D. Jackson

(...) ^^^...^^^ Y'know, if I think about the world as a glorified "Civ" game, then I believe this will be the outcome ;] KDJ ___...___ LUGNETer #203, Windsor, Ontario, Canada (23 years ago, 23-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Mladen Pejic

Like Jon Palmer already kindly asked, could you please separate your LONG paragraphs. You do this by pressing a button on your keyboard called _ENTER_ or _RETURN_. Hope you understand and use this advice. (...) letter. (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Tim Courtney

Whoa hoss, slooooowwww dooooowwwwwn. You're rambling a TON here. Why not take the time to think about a reply and write it into nice paragraphs, so we can all read it. Better yet, why not go do something more productive? (...) I'm sorry to be rude, (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Selçuk Göre

Jesse Long wrote: <snip> (...) Sorry to interrupt guys, bu this is the *funniest* thread I faced for a long time..:-D Is this Jesse character is real? I mean does he really exist? I really don't appreciate beating innocent clueless, and my attitude (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Jesse Alan Long

(...) There was a man who asked me about eating soy and I simply said that I did not like soy because I am not exactly a vegetarian, that and I decided to be humorous (as opposed to being annoying or rude, which many people on Lugnet seem to think I (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Duane Hess

(...) RTL stands for Rec.Toys.Lego a news group that existed before LUGNET. (...) -Duane (23 years ago, 25-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Selçuk Göre

(...) It was 'I really don't appreciate beating innocent clueless, and my attitude *was* same to this conversation.' At first, I thought that you were a teen, just were rambling around, and there was no need to be harsh to you. But after this much (...) (23 years ago, 26-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Lindsay Frederick Braun

Heya Selçuk- (...) I'm actually sort of stumped at that line too--it doesn't quite compute grammatically. I think that's what Jesse wasn't getting (that's definitely what I'm not understanding). (...) No comment, except that this has been a most (...) (23 years ago, 26-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Selçuk Göre

(...) Needless to say it is very appearent to me. Do I undesrtand your own language better than you or what?..:-) Anyway, the thing I tried to express (and couldn't, by looking the respose) is: * I really don't appreciate beating (kicking, slapping, (...) (23 years ago, 26-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Hopefully that smiley means you were kidding... you guys are both respected contributors, and I think LFB was just trying to help clarify why your wording may have been confusing. ++Lar (23 years ago, 26-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Selçuk Göre

(...) Easy Larry, we are just making some fun..:-) No hard feelings involved in anyway. Thanks, though..:-) Selçuk (23 years ago, 27-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Lindsay Frederick Braun

Hey Selçuk (...) Well, you're not an American, so it's entirely possible. :) (...) Okay. The "the" was missing, which is what screwed me up. Three little letters, a world of comprehension. I got all the words, but couldn't separate the sentence out (...) (23 years ago, 26-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Shiri Dori

In lugnet.space, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes: <snip> (...) LOL! You may not find it hard to believe that I speak much worse English after two years in the good ol' US of A. As for that sentence, I just pretended Chris was saying it. ;-) Here's a (...) (23 years ago, 27-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Ross Crawford

(...) 8?) Even in my short trip (~5 weeks) I found myself pronouncing things with an accent, just to get the Murkans to understand!! (...) Didn't actually ask the Pieniazeks how they pronounce it, but I say it like Peen-yart-sik, accent on the 2nd (...) (23 years ago, 27-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Close. No R. pin-yacht-sick (yachts are big boats so that's the syllable that gets the accent) My Polish relatives say it "more correctly" as pin-o-scheck. (23 years ago, 27-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Selçuk Göre

(...) Then...:-), Turkish alphabet is a completely different thing than anything Ottoman. It was introduced in 1928 by Atatürk, based on the Latin alphabet that you already knew and been using for centuries. It has some "weird" characters like (...) (23 years ago, 28-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Jesse Alan Long

(...) You think that Turkish or Arabic is hard, try learning how to speak AND write Japanese, and I am not even from Japan! The Japanese language has over 1,400 different characters known as kanji and there are two different subcategories for each (...) (23 years ago, 28-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Jesse Alan Long

(...) I think that you do not understand that sentence, either, Lindsay? The problem is that you respond with the sentence, 'I think that's what Jesse wasn't getting (that's definitely what I'm not understanding).' What do you mean by that sentence, (...) (23 years ago, 26-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Lindsay Frederick Braun

(...) Oh, it just seemed to me that the sentence wasn't fully clear because of the way it was worded, and I posited that this might have been the same reason you asked for a clarification. Granted, it's faaa...aaar better than I'd ever do in (...) (23 years ago, 26-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —John Kornhaus

(...) I've always envisioned an empire as a large, sprawling governmental body that tended to stay put, at least until the natives got restless. It must be stressful to return from a long range deep penetration preemptive "patrol" and find your home (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jun-01, to lugnet.space)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Kai Brodersen

<snip> (...) Ahem I dont know if any one has corrected you, and I hate to be nit picking but the M.F. flew into a "cave" not a crater in the SECOND MOVIE called The Empire Strikes Back. thank you (23 years ago, 25-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Jesse Alan Long

(...) By quite a coincedence, my library has the Star Wars Trilogy and I would like to rent those movies but my parents would probably stop me because I have seen each movie about five times in two years and possibly as many as a dozen times in my (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Joel Kuester

(...) Stop. you are both technically right. Although it is hard to justify the usage of the term "flying into a crater" inasmuch as you can fly into a cave. The giant worm-like creature was inside a cave-like hole that was located in the center of a (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Richard Marchetti

(...) Actually not! What REALLY happened was that the MF flew into a crater/cave and then monkeys flew out my butt! =oP -- Hop-Frog (The Giant Thread Killer) (23 years ago, 25-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Lindsay Frederick Braun

(...) "No way, Wayne!" LFB (who beats the dead threads...*thump* *thump*) XFUT -> .o-t.fun (23 years ago, 25-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Dave Low

(...) So that's where they went! Call off the search party fellow Oz-simians, that amphibious phreak Hop-Frog was the kidnapper! --DaveL (23 years ago, 25-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Richie Dulin

(...) No, I think you'll find that the flying monkeys are from The Wizard of Oz. ;-) (...) It's not dead yet. :-) Cheers Richie Dulin Patrician of Brick Morpork (23 years ago, 26-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Kai Brodersen

snip (...) Ahem the M.F. flew into the monster, which is technically called a space slug by George Lucas, in the Second movie not the first. The first starwars movie was over That whole Death Star thing. The second (Empire Strikes Back) is where the (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Jesse Alan Long

(...) You are correct about the Super Star Destroyer comment but I know that it was in Star Wars that they ended up inside the space slug (which I believe appears to be an early ancestor of those worms in another science fiction story named Tremors) (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —William R. Ward

(...) It's more complicated than that. The rocket was a several-stage affair; the first few stages would drop off and burn up as you head up through the atmosphere; by the time you reach orbit only a small amount of rocket is left. The Lunar Module (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —David Drew

(...) Actually, if you're travelling at near-light velocities, the density of the interstellar medium becomes high enough (especially within solar systems, so I guess that would be intrastellar medium) that a streamlined shaped would become (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Mark Sandlin

I thought the quote was asking how the Heisenberg Compensators work? Oh well... same sentiment. ;^) ~Mark "Web Interface, now with 50% more fat!" Sandlin (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Dave Schuler

(...) I just figured the Heisenberg Compensators worked by dampening inertia. Dave! (23 years ago, 20-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Lindsay Frederick Braun

(...) I think there's a lot of uncertainty surrounding their function. ;) XFUT -> o-t.pun (uhhh, o-t.geek.pun? :) ) LFB (23 years ago, 20-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —William R. Ward

(...) That may be true, but I don't think anyone knows for sure, because we haven't tried going that fast yet. My spacecraft follow a very "hard SF" policy - no FTL travel, no artificial gravity, etc. But that's not to say that it's the only way... (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Jesse Alan Long

(...) There has existed artificial gravity for years in the space programs, most notably our space program, all over the world. These same companies are working with contractors to develop newer types of engines such as an ion propulsion system for (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —William R. Ward

(...) The only form of "artificial gravity" that is currently possible is to use a centrifuge structure to simulate gravity. If you've seen the film "2001: A Space Odyssey" you will remember the doughnut-shaped room where the men worked and (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Jesse Alan Long

(...) Thank you, Bill, for telling me what the name of that technology was in my letter. There is a fatal flaw in your response, however, Bill. You seem to think that it is impossible to conduct this type of technology yet you already answered how (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —David Drew

Hi. Gravity generators per se are not in violation of the laws of physics. However, they are far in advance of any current technology that we have. In order to generate an artificial gravity field, without the use of centrifugal force, we'd have to (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Jesse Alan Long

(...) The first issue in this reply is no person can become richer than God because God gave people the concept of money and currency in their minds. I could devote a whole other letter about this situation but I am not talking about religion in (...) (23 years ago, 22-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —William R. Ward

(...) To clarify: the centrifuge technique is more of a gravity simulator, rather than the sort of gravity generator that is imagined for Star Trek or such. --Bill. (23 years ago, 21-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Jesse Alan Long

(...) Thank you, Bill for clarifying that response to my reply letter. Could there exist a way that a gravity generator be used for some sort of gravity simulator? I am not very experienced in the laws of physics and I am sorry for causing so many (...) (23 years ago, 22-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Kyle D. Jackson

(...) Ion drives will not be in use in 2003. The only form of space engines that are currently in production are rockets. There are liquid-fuelled rockets, which can be turned on and off ("throttled"), and there are solid-fuel rockets which cannot (...) (23 years ago, 22-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —David Drew

Wrong! Ion rockets are in use now, and have been for 30 years. They're just not big enough to for sub-orbital work. See (URL) Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kyle D. Jackson" <flightdeck@sympatic...mblock.ca> To: <lugnet.space@lugnet.com>; (...) (23 years ago, 22-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Jesse Alan Long

(...) Perhaps I was referring to the fact that they may have been trying to build larger ion engines for space travel? I know that these engines are a defininte possibility and I apologize for my error, David. Jesse Long (23 years ago, 22-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Kyle D. Jackson

(...) A) saying something based on assumption, and B) venturing out of atmospherics ;] In retrospect though, JAL seemed to imply that these things were going to be installed on the Shuttle or something in 2003 and I said "no way". When I think space (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —John Kornhaus

(...) Why do you say with your words that ion engines will not be used on the Space Shuttle in 2003, Kyle. What you fail to realize is that ion drives were invented in society long ago. Do not argue with me on this, Kyle, because just last week I (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Um, because he tried saying it with his toes and it didn't work out? I used to try typing with my toes and it made a big mess. My big toe was too big to work the backspace key right. (...) Because everyone knows that we are all going to be (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Kyle D. Jackson

(...) I've got 3 words for you, buddy: Commodore-64! (...) He-he ;] That was pretty good! KDJ ___...___ LUGNETer #203, Windsor, Ontario, Canada (23 years ago, 24-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Are you sure about this? I believe there are ion drives in use on some research sats already. They are extremely low thrust mercury based but have, again, been shown to work for stationkeeping, unless my memory is completely fried. I want to (...) (23 years ago, 22-Jun-01, to lugnet.space)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —Lindsay Frederick Braun

(...) Deep Space One, among others, but that was of course only the testbed in 1999-2000. Isn't the service life only about six months on the units being sent up now? (I know one has run longer, but the expected life is only about 150-180 days.) (...) (23 years ago, 22-Jun-01, to lugnet.space)

Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big] —George Haberberger

(...) My spacecraft have wings if they're intended to enter the atmosphere, such as my Sparrow, (URL) . If they are strictly space (no atmospheric travel), they won't have wings, but they will have things that look like wings, but are field vanes. I (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jun-01, to lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au)