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Re: Wings [was: Re: Building big]
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lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.au
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Thu, 28 Jun 2001 17:05:06 GMT
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In lugnet.space, Selçuk Göre writes:
> In lugnet.space, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes:
> > In lugnet.space, Selçuk Göre writes:
> > > In lugnet.space, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes:
> > > > In lugnet.space, Selçuk Göre writes:
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> > > Since you already know everything (1) I will not explain you anything related
> > > to Turkish alphabet..:-)
> >
> > That Ottoman stuff is beyond me, anyways.
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> Then...:-),
>
> Turkish alphabet is a completely different thing than anything Ottoman. It was
> introduced in 1928 by Atatürk, based on the Latin alphabet that you already
> knew and been using for centuries. It has some "weird" characters like "ÜüÖöÇç"
> and some others (that you can't see if I type) like dotless small "i", dotted
> capital "I", soft "g" (g with an umlaut above), and "s" with cedilla. And it
> doesn't have "x", "q" and "w". There was also a soft "a" (a with an umlaut
> above), just added to pronounce Arabic words in our language (There are *too*
> many Arabic words in our language, still) but it is mostly not used now, and
> excluded from the alphabet.
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> Before that we were using Arabic alphabet, beginning from the acceptance of
> Islam as the religion of Turkish People, at the times we were still living in
> central Asia (around 9th century, IIRC). I still can't believe using this
> awkward and inconvenient alphabet for centuries. Do you know that you can't
> type letter "p" in Arabic alphabet? Besides that several other natural sounds
> of Turkish language cannot be represented by arabic alphabet. It is very hard
> to learn, at the same time. Ther are some complexities like letters changing
> their appearances according to their places in a word, and vowels changing
> their sounds with added small signs around them.
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> It was a very very big step for the proceeding cultural revolution to change
> the Arabic alphabet with the new one. And a very brave one at that time, since
> the first response was "they are changing the alphabet of Kouran with the
> devil's alphabet". Perfect medieval thinking, except being at the beginning of
> 20th century. But you couldn't get better from a culture who didn't accept the
> use of Gutenberg's machine till 300 years after its invention, by fearing to
> use "devil's apparatus". Even then, it was forbidden to copy Kouran with
> it..:-)
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> Selçuk
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> P.S. IANAH, you know..:-)
You think that Turkish or Arabic is hard, try learning how to speak AND
write Japanese, and I am not even from Japan! The Japanese language has
over 1,400 different characters known as kanji and there are two different
subcategories for each system and I believe that they are referred to as
hirigana and katagana. (If I am wrong in that aspect, then it is either a
mistake in the book I am reading about learning Japanese or a mistake that I
have personally made in my mind so please correct me, Dori-san.) Katagana
is the more commonly used form of the Japanese text but hirigana is also
used but then again I am only beginning to learn that language.
So, do you not believe that I am real, Selcuk, or do I have to show you a
photograph of myself with some identification (and you are not going to see
my Social Security number so sorry, Selcuk)? Are you still angry at me, Selcuk?
Jesse Long
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