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(...) They do work! But they are usually used with two quadrature outputs (hence the name), while on RCX only one wire is used and the 4 states are encoded as 4 voltages levels. (URL) (Image courtesy Michael Gasperi) The sequence (clockwise) is (...) (21 years ago, 30-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab, FTX)
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(...) The way I understand it, it's really not the sensor's fault. The RCX and firmware together either can't or doesn't deal with the ambiguous voltage levels sometimes returned during two of the four transitions. If the RCX were fast enough that (...) (21 years ago, 30-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
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Could someone explain to me technically why this sort of of problem with the rotation sensor occurs? I know how quadrature shaft encoders are _supposed_ to work, and I can't see why this sort of thing should happen in the first place. >> Mark (21 years ago, 30-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
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(...) Still waiting to hear from Dick about that. (...) I disagree that it's easier to understand and use. Possibly easier to learn or figure out without documentation, up to a point. But ease of learning is not the same as ease of use. Graphical (...) (21 years ago, 30-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
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(...) ---...--->snip I've not had the time yet to analyze the patch. Seems that you replace the first firmware handler. In Robolab the firmware is found under ..ROBOLAB\Engine\RCX1\Text. They simply have changed the extension .lgo to .txt and call (...) (21 years ago, 30-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
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Anyone have or know where I can find broken RCX units for parts? Thanks, Rand (21 years ago, 30-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics.rcx)
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In lugnet.robotics.rcx.java, Chris Phillips wrote: Hahaha, Your passionate condemnation of GC makes entertaining reading in light of the amount of work I have to do with lejos,Java,C++, etc for my final year undergraduate project. I will certainly (...) (21 years ago, 30-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.java)
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| | Re: Patched firmware to improve rotation sensor, was Re: Robolab, byte codes and assembler
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(...) It took me some time to figure out why, but you are right, the ambiguous transitions occur only while counting up. What you could do though would be to count +1 while going from state3 to state2_ambiguous, and correct "phantom transition" by (...) (21 years ago, 30-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
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Hello all. About a year ago I researched math functions so I could write some for the RCX. I found some power series functions that work really well. I see another message here posted by "nanobapt" has also posted some functions so I tested his (...) (21 years ago, 29-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
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I've been experimenting with some of the LabView icons available in "Investigator" mode in Robolab (under the "hourglass" item on the outermost menu). They seem to cause some odd behavior sometimes. It seems like it's especially a problem if one of (...) (21 years ago, 30-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
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(...) Doesn't that mean that at any given count, you could still be off by 1, but now the odds of having an incorrect count are 50-50 instead of about one in 500? (...) There has been some discussion about whether this patch will work with Robolab, (...) (21 years ago, 30-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
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"Philippe Hurbain" <philohome@free.fr> wrote in message news:Hp4JAs.oK8@lugnet.com... (...) Much to my embarassment, I have to agree with Philippe that the patch doesn't work very well. I try to figure out what went wrong. (...) This is the expected (...) (21 years ago, 29-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
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(...) <snip> That would be disappointing! I discarded the RIS software very early on. Dick, can you clarify this issue? (21 years ago, 30-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
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(...) I think RoboLab uses its own firmware, so patching FIRM0328.LGO won't help you unless you use the RIS programming environment. (Or NQC, but that apparently isn't allowed by FIRST?) (...) I've used FIRM0328.LGO with older (version 1.0) RCXes (...) (21 years ago, 29-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
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(...) Should be legal, perhaps. But I was just suggesting that before sending him off to try to patch the firmware, he might want to make sure it was legal to do so. Although RIS and RoboLab may not use the same identical firmware, that doesn't (...) (21 years ago, 29-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
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Hello Don, (...) firm0309.lgo is firmware from RIS 1.5, while firm0328.lgo comes from RIS 2.0. Maybe RIS 1.5 can't download 2.0 firmware, never tried that... (...) I suggest you download BricxCC from (URL) and use its download utility (located in (...) (21 years ago, 29-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
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(...) I'm having trouble downloading the patched firmware. Robolab doesn't have a .lgo file anywhere in the program directory structure, so I don't have a filename to replace with the patched file. Downloading in Robolab seems to work, but I see no (...) (21 years ago, 29-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
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(...) Wow, that's far more than I expected! And thanks for the detailed explanation. I may have to look at it tomorrow - my daughter's birthday is today. <snip> (21 years ago, 29-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
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(...) My arguments would be: 1. The firmware/sensor arrangement is _broken_. Fixing it should be legal. 2. The FIRST rules permit using different firmware implicitly, because they permit using RIS or Robolab, which requires different firmware. 3. (...) (21 years ago, 29-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
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| | Patched firmware to improve rotation sensor, was Re: Robolab, byte codes and assembler
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Hello Dick, Looks great, but it doesn't seem to work well here: - counts up 2 by 2, but counts down correctly one by one - loses count, especially when counting up. My tests were done with a brand new, unmodified rotation sensor. I mounted a wheel (...) (21 years ago, 29-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
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