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John,
I have 105 of the Toshiba 68HC11's, and I use them in all sorts of products
with great results. I don't think the chip is the problem either. It's begining
to look like the pcode, I take it that you have the full new version. I have
never tried that one, but have been seriously considering it.
You can download the skidmore version from the www.handyboard.com site under
contributed software. You might try getting the freeware IC too, and load
everything from a DOS prompt.
This is a really unusual problem I'd say.
-Dan
In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, John R. McDaniel writes:
> Dan,
>
> My 68HC11 chip has the following numbers: TMP68HC11A1T-3 and is, in
> fact, labeled TOSHIBA. I have two of these chips and I've tried both of
> them with exactly the same result.
>
> I've also changed the RAM chip, reloaded everything and no change.
>
> My Pcode is version 3.10. I'll see if I can find the PWM/Skidmore version
> and try it.
>
> What keeps nagging at the back of my brain is the fact that I can invoke the
> downloaded " main() " program from my PC and it runs perfectly; it
> simply is not invoked by resetting the HB.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
>
>
> In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Dan Gates writes:
> > Man I hate this forum!
> > Sorry, It's just a pain in the #@* to go through all the rigamarole every • time
> > you reply to something here.
> > Anyway, I have a couple other thoughts on this subject. What is the exact
> > (entire) 68HC11 number on the chip? The HB origionally used the MC68HC11A1FN,
> > which has been discontinued by Motorola. If you have an E series chip then • the
> > memory map is different.
> > Also, what version of Pcode are you using? The one I have (that runs your • code
> > fine) is the PWM version by Julian skidmore.
> > -Dan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, John R. McDaniel writes:
> > > Dan,
> > >
> > > Thank you for the suggestions. Like you, I tried removing the white
> > > space(s) and it did not help.
> > >
> > > Yesterday, I installed a new memory chip and a new 68HC11.....same problem.
> > >
> > > I may be overlooking something, but I don't think I'm getting a total reset,
> > > i.e., I don't think I'm resetting/clearing memory. I say that because if I
> > > leave IC running on my PC and unplug the serial cable and turn off the HB, I
> > > can leave the HB off for an hour; turn the HB back on, plug in the serial
> > > cable, type " main() " on the PC and the previously downloaded HB program • runs.
> > >
> > > I have been monitoring the LM2931Z-5.0 (MEM-PER) output with my O'scope and
> > > can see absolutely no drop-out when switching the HB SW1 power switch on and
> > > off.
> > >
> > > Let me know if my logic, as expressed above, is incorrect.
> > >
> > > I've been messing with this kind of stuff for 30+ years and this one has me
> > > buffaloed. At this point, I'm willing to accept suggestions for
> > > incantations and/or spells which can be cast upon my HB.
> > >
> > > Thanks again for the suggestions, Dan.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Dan Gates writes:
> > > > John,
> > > > I just loaded up your version of the code you posted, It worked fine on • reset.
> > > > I took out the white space just to see, and it worked fine too!
> > > > I would say that your memory is bad or the lm2931 -5 is bad. Something is
> > > > causing total reset including the memory. Did you make sure that your • 'config
> > > > register' was set to 0x0c when you used the DL.exe? If it is set to 0x0D • then
> > > > your board can't access the eternal memory, but I don't think the pcode • will
> > > > even load in that case. Anyway...
> > > > -Dan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, John R. McDaniel writes:
> > > > > Fred,
> > > > >
> > > > > Man, do you ever sleep? I hope you know how much your support is • appreciated.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is a copy of my jrm1.c file. Just a reminder, if I type " main() " • in
> > > > > the IC window on my PC, this file executes flawlessly.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > John
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > /* filename: jrm1.c John R. McDaniel */
> > > > >
> > > > > void main () {
> > > > >
> > > > > while (1){ /*do this loop endlessly*/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > printf("Test Motors !!\n"); /*print 'Test Motors !!' on LCD*/
> > > > >
> > > > > ao(); /*both motor off for 2 seconds*/
> > > > > sleep (2.0); /*delay start so can unplug cable*/
> > > > >
> > > > > /*go forward*/
> > > > > printf("Forward\n"); /*print 'Forward' on LCD*/
> > > > > fd (0); /*left motor forward*/
> > > > > fd (2); /*right motor forward*/
> > > > > sleep (3.0); /*do this for 3 seconds*/
> > > > > alloff(); /*let motors coast to stop*/
> > > > > sleep (1.0);
> > > > >
> > > > > /*turn right*/
> > > > > printf("Right\n"); /*print 'Right' on LCD*/
> > > > > fd (0); /*left motor forward*/
> > > > > bk (2); /*right motor backwards*/
> > > > > sleep (2.0); /*do this for 2 seconds*/
> > > > > alloff(); /*let motors coast to stop*/
> > > > > sleep (1.0);
> > > > >
> > > > > /*turn left*/
> > > > > printf("Left\n"); /*print 'Left' on LCD*/
> > > > > bk (0); /*left motor backwards*/
> > > > > fd (2); /*right motor forward*/
> > > > > sleep (2.0); /*do this for 2 seconds*/
> > > > > alloff(); /*let motors coast to stop*/
> > > > > sleep (1.0);
> > > > >
> > > > > /*go backward*/
> > > > > printf("Back\n"); /*print 'Back' on LCD*/
> > > > > bk (0); /*left motor backwards*/
> > > > > bk (2); /*right motor backwards*/
> > > > > sleep (3.0); /*do this for 3 seconds*/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > alloff(); /*all motors off, rest until next loop*/
> > > > > printf("Loop Done\n"); /*print 'Loop Done' on LCD*/
> > > > >
> > > > > sleep (5.0); /*pause before doing loop again*/
> > > > >
> > > > > }
> > > > > }
> > > > >
> > > > > /* end */
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Fred G. Martin writes:
> > > > > > Well, at this point I'm out of ideas. Would you please copy and paste
> > > > > > your jrm1.c file into an email message and send that to the list.
> > > > > > (LUGNET strips attachments, so it has to be plain text body of the msg.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thanks,
> > > > > > Fred
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Monday, December 31, 2001, at 12:12 AM, John McDaniel wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fred,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I double-checked, and my " main() " program (filename: jrm1.c) is all
> > > > > > > lower
> > > > > > > case letters. I confirmed case sensitivity by trying to call the "
> > > > > > > main() "
> > > > > > > file (filename: jrm1.c) which has been downloaded to the HB by typing "
> > > > > > > Main() " on the PC. I get a " Function Main() undefined " message in
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > IC window.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Typing " main() " on the PC causes the downloaded file (filename:
> > > > > > > jrm1.c) to
> > > > > > > run. Resetting the HB does not cause jrm1.c to run.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To further confirm, I modified my program renaming the main function as
> > > > > > > " Main " and then downloaded this file (filename: jrm2.c).... after
> > > > > > > unloading jrm1.c. Typing " Main() " causes the HB to run jrm2.c.
> > > > > > > Typing "
> > > > > > > main() " causes a " Function main undefined " message to be displayed.
> > > > > > > Resetting the HB does not cause jrm2.c to run.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Your perserverence is much appreciated. Suggestions?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > John
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ___________________________________
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Fred G. Martin writes:
> > > > > > > > I wonder if it's because you've capitalized "Main()". C is case
> > > > > > > > sensitive so main != Main.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > try it making your main program lower case and see if that works.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Fred
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, December 30, 2001, at 01:36 PM, john McDaniel wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Fred,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks for the very prompt response. Your responses to queries on
> > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > board continue to provide very useful insights.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > With respect to your response #1, it is helpful to know that "list
> > > > > > > > > files"
> > > > > > > > > does not actually read the Handy Board and is therefore not a
> > > > > > > > > definitive
> > > > > > > > > indication of what is resident in Handy Board RAM.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Your response #2 would make a useful footnote to that section of the
> > > > > > > > > technical reference and your book "Robotic Explorations" which
> > > > > > > > > discusses the
> > > > > > > > > reset vector.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You are correct. If I:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > a. download a program containing a function named main(),
> > > > > > > > > b. turn the handy board off and unplug it from the desktop PC,
> > > > > > > > > c. turn the HB on,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > the HB does NOT run main(). Upon turning the HB back on, it beeps
> > > > > > > > > once
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > the LCD displays "IC v3.1 Handy Board 1.2" and the heartbeat.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > As noted in my #5 below, if I leave IC running (so it will not
> > > > > > > > > "forget"
> > > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > has been downloaded (your response #1)) while executing steps a thru
> > > > > > > > > c, I
> > > > > > > > > can plug the serial cable back in, type " main() " and the Handy • Board
> > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > run the downloaded " main() " program.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks again for the help, Fred.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > John
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Fred G. Martin writes:
> > > > > > > > > > John, a couple things.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 1. when you quit and restart IC, it forgets what programs you may
> > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > loaded into the HB. so that explains your #4 case below.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 2. IC has its own way of storing vectors for user code like your
> > > > > > > > > > main()
> > > > > > > > > > program, so you should not expect the hardware reset vector to • change
> > > > > > > > > > when you load your IC user code. so this explains your case #8.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > what should work is the following:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > a. you download a program containing a function named main().
> > > > > > > > > > b. turn the handy board off and unplug it from the desktop machine.
> > > > > > > > > > c. turn the HB on, and it should run main().
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > does this not work?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > fred
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, December 29, 2001, at 05:29 PM, John McDaniel wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Dear "Group",
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > ....what are we? Lugnetters? Lugheads? Lugnuts?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Regardless, I need some guidance on getting my Handyboard to run a
> > > > > > > > > > > downloaded Main( ) program upon powerup/reset. Here are some facts
> > > > > > > > > > > regarding my problem.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 1. The Handyboard downloads the Pcode properly and the LCD displays
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > "IC
> > > > > > > > > > > v3.1 Handy Board 1.2" message plus a pulsing heartbeat.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 2. I can execute the various IC commands from my PC.... beep( ),
> > > > > > > > > > > read
> > > > > > > > > > > memory
> > > > > > > > > > > locations with peek( ), turn motors on and off, read Knob, etc.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 3. I can download a Main( ) program (filename jrm1.c) to the Handy
> > > > > > > > > > > Board and
> > > > > > > > > > > them make it run by typing " main ( )" on the PC. I can unplug the
> > > > > > > > > > > serial
> > > > > > > > > > > cable and the Handy Board will continue to execute the " main( )"
> > > > > > > > > > > program
> > > > > > > > > > > sequences.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 4. I leave the serial cable plugged into the HB and I do not turn
> > > > > > > > > > > off
> > > > > > > > > > > the HB
> > > > > > > > > > > power switch. If I quit IC (on the PC) and restart, then type "
> > > > > > > > > > > list
> > > > > > > > > > > files"(after the IC initialization process with the HB), IC does
> > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > list
> > > > > > > > > > > my main( ) program (filename jrm1.c). If I try to run my main( )
> > > > > > > > > > > program
> > > > > > > > > > > (filename jrm1.c), IC displays "Function main undefined".
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 5. I unplug the serial cable from the HB, turn off the HB power
> > > > > > > > > > > switch,
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > leave IC running on the PC. Leave HB power off for 10 minutes.
> > > > > > > > > > > Plug
> > > > > > > > > > > serial
> > > > > > > > > > > cable back into the HB and turn on the HB power switch. Instead of
> > > > > > > > > > > executing my " main( )" program (filename jrm1.c), the LCD displays
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > "IC
> > > > > > > > > > > v3.1 Handy Board 1.2" message with heartbeat. Now, type " main( )"
> > > > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > PC and my "main( )" program (filename jrm1.c) runs properly.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 6. I have oscilloscoped the 62256 RAM chip's MEM-PWR pin and see • no
> > > > > > > > > > > interruption of power when the HB power switch is turned off and • on.
> > > > > > > > > > > Operation of the DS1233 (and subsequent 74HC132 gates) seems • correct
> > > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > 62256's "/E" pin (20).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 7. The red LED11 PWR LED (led 11) "winks" upon reset and the the
> > > > > > > > > > > oscilloscope shows a normal reset waveform at pin 17 on the 68HC11.
> > > > > > > > > > > Reset
> > > > > > > > > > > also seems to correctly influence the "/E" pin (20) on the 62256.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 8. Before downloading any " main( )" program to the HB, using IC, • I
> > > > > > > > > > > peek
> > > > > > > > > > > (49150) [$BFEE] and (49151) [$BFFF] and see a reset vector of $C500
> > > > > > > > > > > which, I
> > > > > > > > > > > believe, is the location of IC on the HB.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If I download a " main( )" program to the HB and then peek (49150)
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > peek
> > > > > > > > > > > (49151) the reset vector has not changed.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm about at wit's end trying to get my HB to run a " main( )"
> > > > > > > > > > > program
> > > > > > > > > > > upon
> > > > > > > > > > > powerup reset. Can anyone suggest additonal tests I might perform
> > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > provide some insight on what I am overlooking/misunderstanding?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Any assistance is greatly appreciated.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Going crazy in Columbus......John
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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