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Re: Non-pivoting free wheels (was Re: odometry (was Re: Homing with the IR Tower)
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Date: 
Wed, 4 Aug 1999 02:12:26 GMT
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Doug Carlson <dcarlson@net-info.IHATESPAMcom>
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Here's a couple of short motion clips of the killough platform in motion. (about
1.4 MB each in mpg format)
I had been waiting to get a few really nice movies of this but a  relative of mine
dropped by last weekend and shot these to show a
friend of his.  If you have never seen one of these in motion you might find them
interesting.

Hope you enjoy them!

http://www.net-info.com/~dcarlson/klw1.mpg       high resolution/shorter length
movie
http://www.net-info.com/~dcarlson/klw2.mpg       low resolution/longer length movie
with several different motions

-- doug  (who's wishing he had more time to work on this stuff)


Robert Munafo wrote:

You'll have a very hard time making a ball-and-socket design bear a load and
turn without lots of friction. Putting wheels between the ball and the socket
just brings us back to the problem that we were trying to avoid by not having
wheels.

A much better solution that will definitely accomplish what you want is 1/3 of
a Killough platform. This is a pair of balloon tires that are free to rotate on
two axes (via a rotating mount) and geared to each other so that the primary
axles of the two wheels are always at a right angle, but coplanar. Here are two
good pictures of the design:

   http://www.net-info.com/~dcarlson/images/kmrp3.jpg

   http://carol.wins.uva.nl/~leo/lego/killough.html

There are two balloon tires, and only one touches the ground. You'll have to
omit the motor in your model so the wheels turn freely on both axes.

I also want to point out that the full Killough platform with three pairs of
wheels is also rather nice for many other reasons, the main one being that you
can move in any direction without turning, or in fact you can turn while moving
without changing your direction of movement. This makes for much better
maneuverability and flexibility and is also pretty darn fun to watch. However,
it wouldn't be that great for odometry because it's difficult to travel in a
perfectly straight line.

- Robert Munafo

In lugnet.robotics, Erik Steffl writes:
[...]
it looks like the good free wheel should do its 'wheeling' equally
well in each direction. therefore it should be a ball. the design should
look like this:
[...]
there should be something between the holder and the ball so that the
ball can rotate freely (few wheels would do the trick).

if did was not clear enough - it is something like a computer mouse
ball, only it is supported, not hanging (so it is where the mouse ball
is but it is of the same construction as trackball ball).
[...]
--
Did you check the web site first?: http://www.crynwr.com/lego-robotics



--
Did you check the web site first?: http://www.crynwr.com/lego-robotics



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  Re: Non-pivoting free wheels (was Re: odometry (was Re: Homing with the IR Tower)
 
I was asked via E-mail where to get the balloon tyres. They are listed in the Shop-at-Home catalog as item 5282: (URL) just ordered some from here in the United States and they were $6.00 per package. Each package includes two tyres and two wheels (...) (25 years ago, 4-Aug-99, to lugnet.robotics)

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  Non-pivoting free wheels (was Re: odometry (was Re: Homing with the IR Tower)
 
You'll have a very hard time making a ball-and-socket design bear a load and turn without lots of friction. Putting wheels between the ball and the socket just brings us back to the problem that we were trying to avoid by not having wheels. A much (...) (25 years ago, 3-Aug-99, to lugnet.robotics)

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