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Re: NXT and FLL
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Sat, 28 Jan 2006 17:23:32 GMT
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In lugnet.robotics, Steve Hassenplug wrote:
> On Sat, January 14, 2006 4:39 am, Dean Hystad wrote:
> > My questions are mostly directed to Steve H. because I believe that he has more
> > FLL experience than the other MUP's (sorry if I'm wrong guys). I'm wondering
> > what your thoughts are on how NXT is going to affect FLL.
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> Dean,
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> It turns out I'm free to talk about almost all this stuff, because I haven't talked
> with LEGO about any of it.
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> > but
> > my initial impression of NXT is going to make it much easier to build decent
> > robots for FLL. By decent I mean robots that can accurately and reliably
> > navigate, almost all that is needed to score well in most recent FLL challenges.
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> Yes, I also think having a rotation sensor build into the motor will make it easier
> to navigate.
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> > So how do you think NXT will change the FLL challenges?
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> This is a big question. I would not want to undertake the task of trying to create
> a challenge that is good for both the NXT and the RCX. But, it would be
> interesting.
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> > How will the ultrasonic sensor play in FLL? I haven't played around with them
> > for almost 20 years, but remember there being interference problems when
> > multiple sensors are used. Is this true? And if that is true, then does that
> > eliminate this very cool sensor from use in FLL competitions?
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> This gives the teams the option of using a really cool sensor that may work, or not...
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> > I'm also a little sad to see how much mechanism the new motors hide from the
> > user. The new motor probably has approprate speed and torque for FLL uses, so
> > teams won't have as much need for gears. That's depressing
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> I totally agree.
I've also been involved as a coach/mentor since FLL was introduced to our small
country. And as a matter of fact I even won the Adult Coach/Mentor Award last
year
http://www.firstlegoleague.org/nobanner.aspx?pid=10570
As soon as I can get hold of one of the Mindstorms NXT, I would ask the kids to
build and program a robot and run it through last year's Ocean Odyssey challenge
to see what difference (advantage) it would make.
One of the things that doesn't seem to get mentioned, is the impact of the
equipment cost on the schools ability to send teams to the competition.
If the NXT shows a clear advantage, then schools with better funding will
displace less financially well-off schools. That is, the playing field isn't
fair (but that's life isn't it?).
Allowing both the old RCX and the new NXT in this year's FLL would prove to be
most interesting to watch.
Rather than designing the challenge so as to support both the existing and new
Mindstorms technology, I would urge the designers to simply come out with a
challenge without consideration to either technologies and let the users find
out which one fares better. This is what happens in real life.
C S Soh
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| (...) Dean, It turns out I'm free to talk about almost all this stuff, because I haven't talked with LEGO about any of it. (...) Yes, I also think having a rotation sensor build into the motor will make it easier to navigate. (...) This is a big (...) (18 years ago, 16-Jan-06, to lugnet.robotics)
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