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Vision Command on XP and 2000 instructions... pending update
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lugnet.robotics
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Date:
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Wed, 4 Dec 2002 04:57:47 GMT
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Original-From:
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Rob Limbaugh <RLIMBAUGH@GREENFIELDGROUP.spamcakeCOM>
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Hello everyone,
I'm working on updating the instruction pages for Vision Command installation on
XP and 2K. What I would like to include is a small FAQ and list any issues
people may have encountered.
A couple weeks ago, I did a fresh install of 2K and XP on a computer so I could
go step-by-step through all the instructions again (the intent was to get better
screen images) and discovered a few errors. Those errors primarily exist in the
2K procedures.
The errors are the result of using my own computer as the original "2K machine"
that the instructions were created from. Other software was installed and
repeated attempts at finding the right combination of things to force VC to
install caused some of my steps/assumptions to be wrong. The XP instructions
are more accurate because deliberately used a different computer with a fresh
install of XP.
The errors in the 2K procedures
(http://www.abs-robotics.com/tips/install/win2k/vc.htm):
1) RIS 2.0 (Original or Upgrade) is required to use Vision Command on
Windows 2000.
2) WinZIP is not required. Windows 2000 has the built-in ability to
view cab files.
3) In order to see the first "ATL.DLL" error (step 25), hit "ALT-TAB"
to switch to it.
4) If QuickTime is not already installed, it will be at step 28.
5) If QuickTime needs to install, an "ATL.DLL" error will show up,
click "OK" on it.
6) Step 32 can be removed... a second KERNEL.DLL error doesn't show up
on a "clean" system.
7) From step 36 to the end... VC Update should run automatically and
cam setup comes afterward.
8) Step 47 can be removed... VC on 2000 requires RIS 2.0.
Regarding #8--That error was made because I decided to see if I could get RIS
1.0 and 1.5 to work after finding the solution for RIS2.0. Instead of using a
clean machine for each install try, I removed/reinstalled on the same machine,
causing my oversight.
Errors in XP procedures (http://www.abs-robotics.com/tips/install/winxp/vc.htm):
1) Between steps 43 and 44 - Log in to Vision Command.
2) Between steps 44 and 45 - Firmware may need to download to the RCX.
Current FAQ's:
Q: Is RIS 2.0 required?
A: Yes. The full answer is technical. Basically, the VC Updater (distributed with RIS 2.0) replaces several files for VC, including core components. The original components refuse to run under XP or 2000. I believe the updated files only work on 2000 and XP due to sheer dumb luck.
Q: Isn't LEGO releasing a patch?
A: So I've heard....
Q: Why doesn't VC installation work "out of the box" on 2000 or XP?
A: The VC installer was compiled and released prior to consumer availability of 2000 and XP. All that is necessary is for a new installer program to be released that works under 2000 and XP and can open the proprietary installation .CAB files, drop the DirectX install (both 2000 and XP come with a newer version of DirectX), have QuickTime for 2000 (not necessary for XP), and update the appropriate executables for VC with the code that runs under 2000 and XP (which would mean all the RIS's could use VC on 2000 or XP).
Q: Wasn't there already a solution for installing VC on XP months ago?
A: Yes, but that solution only works if you are "moving" the files to a computer that had an in-place upgrade of Windows from 9x/Me to XP. Computers sold in stores now have a "clean" install of XP, not an "upgrade". Additionally, not everyone has access to two computers, let alone one that has Win9x/Me. I wanted to fill that gap, so I had to look for a more universal solution.
Q: Did you even try that old solution?
A: Yes. It consistently failed when trying to apply it to a fresh and clean full Windows XP installation. That's what motivated me to find a new method. But, the old method did work when I installed XP as an Upgrade to Win98 Second Edition.
Q: Do I really have to have the VC and RIS 2.0 CD's?
A: Yes.
If anyone has noticed anything I've missed, or has something to add, please
email me so I may include/reference it in the update.
Thanks,
Rob
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