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(...) What happened (apparently) is that LEGO now has their cake and eats it too. This makes me sick. I just discovered their page devoted to (quote) "some 'introductory' Books about LEGO MINDSTORMS." There I see two books, Jonathan's O'Reilly and (...) (25 years ago, 7-Apr-00, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.dear-lego) !
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(...) If your browser doesn't support JavaScript (Lynx, W3M, etc.) or if you're running a browser that does, but you have it disabled, you won't be able to load the page. But if you still want to view the page, here's the page's actual URL (...) (25 years ago, 7-Apr-00, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) I assume Jonathan (and ORA) went through the same discussions my publisher did with TLG regarding using "Mindstorms" in a book title. Lego had no problem at all with people writing books...in fact I've gotten a lot of encouraging feedback from (...) (25 years ago, 7-Apr-00, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.dear-lego) !
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Suzanne D. Rich wrote: [snip] (...) Could you please explain further? What is an "associate code" and how does it work? /Eric McC/ (25 years ago, 7-Apr-00, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) I don't really understand how the associates stuff works: if no one collects the referal fee, doesn't Amazon just keep it as extra profit for themselves? Certainly the authors don't collect a smaller royalty if a referal fee is given? So I (...) (25 years ago, 7-Apr-00, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.dear-lego)
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"Dave Baum" <dbaum@spambgoneenteract.com> wrote in message news:dbaum-FAB69A.18...net.com... (...) Get both books, cheaper, from Varisty Books: (URL) (25 years ago, 7-Apr-00, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) I just think it's incredibly ironic, if not a bizarre turn of events. It's surprising to see TLC jumping on the opportunity to take advantage of books written by people in the AFOL community that support it. Maybe they'll give a portion of the (...) (25 years ago, 7-Apr-00, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) I suppose after paying $200 for a LEGO set that most people would be unhappy that LEGO got yet more money after buying a book from a third party that filled gaps in their original product. --Sean (25 years ago, 8-Apr-00, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) However, it seems extremely unreasonable in the case of books about a product. In fact, although I'm not a lawyer, this use of trademarks seems 100% within the precedent set for fair use: it's impossible to describe _without_ using the (...) (25 years ago, 8-Apr-00, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Not to mention, of course, the whole thing where these books are nothing but beneficial to Lego, and much more beneficial if they actually use their name in the title. (To make another analogy: a book called "How to use Linux" is nice for Red (...) (25 years ago, 8-Apr-00, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.dear-lego)
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In lugnet.robotics, David Schilling writes: [...] (...) From what I understand, Amazon makes no profit when a book is 30% off list and then grants a 15% referral fee.[1] The 15% is a maximum. A visitor to their site would need to buy directly (...) (25 years ago, 8-Apr-00, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) I hope people don't get too worked up about all of this. I assume TLC decided to put links on their site, then someone had the idea that if they used an associate link, they'd get a little extra income. From their perspective, why not take (...) (25 years ago, 8-Apr-00, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) I agree with Suzanne -- it looks shoddy and unprofessional. I don't think it's immoral or anything, but it puts them on the same psychological level as some random person with a geocities page full of banner ads. (25 years ago, 8-Apr-00, to lugnet.robotics) !
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(...) That's certainly their choice. I just hope they realize it's sending a mixed message. If you don't know how to recognize an Amazon.com associate ID when you see one, it looks as though TLC is finally (yay) supporting these two wonderful books, (...) (25 years ago, 8-Apr-00, to lugnet.robotics) !
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(...) Yeah! -- Well said! Here's what was going through my mind (and mouth :) when Suzanne showed me the page[1] earlier today: Suz: "Check this out...you're gonna love this..." (sarcasm) Todd: (seeing page on screen) "Ahh, [expletive deleted] cool (...) (25 years ago, 8-Apr-00, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) Y'know, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if if it turns out that the Amazon referrals aren't going to TLC at all, but rather to an employee of whatever web firm they contract out to. (25 years ago, 8-Apr-00, to lugnet.robotics) !
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(...) We were wondering that too. It wouldn't surpise me too much if "management" there was oblivious to the fact. I guess if the URL changes anytime soon... (smile) --Todd (25 years ago, 8-Apr-00, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) Ummm, obviously that page isn't visited much by LugNuts. I found it by accident about a month ago after trying to log onto the forums after someone emailed me that they had rendered my compressor in MLCad. The hoops I had to go through to get (...) (25 years ago, 8-Apr-00, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) I also agree about how it looks...which is basically why I don't use an associate link on the NQC site (1). Dave (1) Acutally, I even debated about putting anything at all on the NQC site about my book. (25 years ago, 8-Apr-00, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) There's tons of precedent on using trademarked names in titles of books. I don't believe my publisher was ever seriously concerned about losing a court case. But they didn't want to bother going to court, and there's a lot of value in a good (...) (25 years ago, 8-Apr-00, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.dear-lego)
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I like the mindstorms site.If this small amount of cash help further develop/justify it power to them. I'd rather the 15% went to TLC rather than AMAZON, as I've found them to be a little shoddy in the past. It is good that TLC is willing to (...) (25 years ago, 8-Apr-00, to lugnet.robotics)
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* Mika Tuupola <tuupola@appelsiini.net> [000408 09:44]: (...) For a differing viewpoint, check out (URL) 9:53am up 10 days, 10:27, 1 user, load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00 (25 years ago, 8-Apr-00, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) This is what Internet _is_ today. Even though this might seem quite amusing, especially big companies just have to cover their back. There allways are people who are trying to sue (for reasons which are not undertandable to a netizen, but (...) (25 years ago, 8-Apr-00, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) (The above is from April.) I just stumbled across this at the official LEGO Mindstorms website... (URL) worth adding a link to it just for posterity since it refers to specific articles on this thread by their URLs. Anyway, I'm not sure who (...) (24 years ago, 10-Aug-00, to lugnet.robotics)
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Hi As you may know my current project has everything to do with image recognition. I was reading one tread in this newsgroup and suddenly it struck me that many of the problems I currently have in finding the contours of the objects can be overcome (...) (24 years ago, 10-Aug-00, to lugnet.robotics)
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Yup :) I thought of, *after dealing with the mono vision*, going for a stereo approach, because this is one way of dealing with distance measuring, or at least, better object evaluation/recognition. At first I thought of using two USB cams, but (...) (24 years ago, 10-Aug-00, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) I'm planning to add a RCX to my CyberMaster, hopefully, this Xmas. I've done tests with MotorOutput->SensorInput direct connection and it works, using the Off() and Float() commands to simulate the On/Off state. Using a simple comms rotine, (...) (24 years ago, 10-Aug-00, to lugnet.robotics)
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in article 4.3.2.7.0.2000081010...rktest.pt, Laurentino Martins at lego-robotics@crynwr.com wrote on 8/10/00 3:05 AM: (...) Always! You can rely on me to have thoughts. No guarantees about the usefulness of my thoughts, however. Use at your own (...) (24 years ago, 10-Aug-00, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) many (...) can be (...) Cool :) that might work too, and save about the other half of material to be used (+2 mirrors, +1 motor, +1 angle-sensor). er... I feel like having "my" solution simply slashed in the middle ;) eheheh This is really all (...) (24 years ago, 11-Aug-00, to lugnet.robotics)
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This approach has several problems. One is that the left image will show you smaller objects than the right, because the light travels a greater distance. The second is that precision is very important and the mirrors must be fixed otherwise will (...) (24 years ago, 11-Aug-00, to lugnet.robotics)
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Check this out ;) Recognizing Three-Dimensional Objects by Comparing Two-Dimensional Images. Daniel P. Huttenlocher, Liana M. Lorigo. IEEE Conference on Computer Vision and Pattern Recognition. June 1996, San Francisco, CA, USA (URL) C. aka McViper (24 years ago, 11-Aug-00, to lugnet.robotics)
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