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Re: The Canoe Myth of .pirates
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Wed, 20 Aug 2003 23:37:35 GMT
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In lugnet.pirates, Stephen Rowe wrote:
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In lugnet.pirates, Richie Dulin wrote:
lego’s hulls do lend themselves
to be shaped like a canoe when strung together, but i think it is not because
of the number of hull sections, but the lack of any type of progressive hull
curvature along the length of the ship. what i mean is, the beam was not the
same at any one point on the ship. as you walk down the side of a ship, you
can see that the ship is not bowed only at the bow and stern. if you look at
a topdown cutaway of the decks, they bow outward until about 1/3 of the
length, then they straighten out, then begin to bow inward again, but at a
less extreme angle, where they finally get to their narrowest at the stern.
legos hull parts are perfectly straight. only the bow and stern sections are
bowed, or show any taper at all. now, this works for smaller ships because
the tapering sections are proportionally correct for the ship,
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Good thoughts, however: (1) the LEGO consitution looks ‘right’ doesn’t it?
Despite being even narrower than it should be for its length and (2) the stern
taper can be represented in the top part of the hull, if necessary.
Maybe, I should spend a couple of hours building a double scale Constellation
Hull? The Port Brique shipwrights have been uncharacteristically idle for the
last few weeks.
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but when you
string hull parts together, they just become more and more straight, hence,
the “canoe” look. now, as you said, if one builds the hull up nicely, you can
help to break the canoe look up, but at some point, it begins to look like a
double decked canoe!
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I’m not convinced, but I haven’t done the experimentation. An eight centre
Misérable II is on the cards, but a long way off (months, not weeks!)
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personally, i like to stick with ships with 4 center
sections. i can build these ships large enough to get a respectible number of
guns on them, but they do not begin to look unwieldy. however, that is just
my opinion.
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I think 4 centre sections is ideal as a compromise - it’s playable, the masts
are easy, the rigging is mostly easy, and there’s enought space on (and below)
deck for a decent amount of activity.
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you made another interesting comment about the masts. i have a problem with
the lego masts: they are a fixed size (diameter). this sonds funny, but on
large ships, the masts that look just right on 4 center section ships, begin
to look thinner and thinner in relation to the size of the ship, so while one
can go high, one has more problems trying to make the masts appear beefy. as
with all lego, there must be more than one way to skin a cat, but i havent
run across it yet!
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2x2x11 (iirc) rounds are a good start. It’s hard to make a strong conection to
the top of them though. (I use a collar made from 2x2 L-bricks under a 4x4 mast
base) 2x2 rounds with a technic rod through the centre are also useful. But the
rigging to hold it steady is the tricky bit.
Sandwiched plates (a la Constellation) are also a possibility. With the use of
2x1 plates with one tile, you could probably even get a vaguely rounded cross
section.
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great discussion topic by the way, hopefully my 2 cents contributes!
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Thanks for the comments!
Adieu
Richie Dulin
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Somewhere in the South Pacifique
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Building a safer South Pacifique
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| (...) i think that the lego Constellation looks "right" because it is such a small scale, that the finer detail dont always matter as much. for instance, it doesnt have the correct number of stays, ropes, etc, but because it is so small, these are (...) (21 years ago, 21-Aug-03, to lugnet.pirates, FTX)
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| (...) wow richie, this is quite an analysis! it has been awhile since i last posted, but i just have to participate. you number analysis was quite in depth, and the conclusions were interesting. lego's hulls do lend themselves to be shaped like a (...) (21 years ago, 20-Aug-03, to lugnet.pirates, FTX)
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