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In lugnet.general, Gerhard R. Istok wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Calum Tsang wrote:
> > In lugnet.general, Gerhard R. Istok wrote:
> > > P.S. Waffle bottom plates exist in quantity in USA/Canada in sizes 2x8, 4x8,
> > > 4x8 curved, and 6x8. But the smaller sizes are the unknowns!
> >
> > You know, I don't think I've ever seen such a plate, but that's likely because I
> > haven't seen waffle plates in general. What's worse (okay, start your
> > cringing)...I throw them out when I get them--they're usually really grimey and
> > in bad condition. (yikes!)
> >
> > Calum
>
> Nothing to cringe about. They do seem to get funky quite often. I have more of
> those white waffle bottom plates in a puke yellow hue than I care to count.
> There is one thing that I am going to do with some some of my better waffle
> bottom plates, and that is to use a SNOT technique that shows them as exterior
> building panels in an interesting geometric design.
>
> Also I would think that nice condition 4x8 right curve and 4x8 left curve plates
> have somewhat of a premium value. They are the only curved plates that don't
> have that notch of missing plastic on the curve (like the macaroni bricks).
>
> The reason that these 2x4 (or other small sizes) waffle bottom plates MIGHT
> exist is because it appears that in 1962 TLG switched over to circle bottom
> plates, which use up 1/3 less plastic than the waffle bottom plates (a 6x8
> waffle bottom plate weights 12 grams, a 6x8 circle bottom plate weighs 9 grams).
> And in doing so, most European sets switched over very quickly as well.
>
> BUT in USA/Canada the waffle bottom plates were seen in sets as late as 1972.
> Samsonite would not be commissioning new waffle bottom molds if they use up more
> plastic. They must have used the old molds that were leftovers from Europe.
> And since TLG started sales of small plates in 1962, it is possible that some
> waffle bottom molds in these small sizes may have existed, but never used in
> Europe (only in Canada).
>
> Maybe I should make it more appealling and up the ante (not that there was an
> ante to begin with)..... but I'll pay $5 (plus shipping) for a 2x4 waffle bottom
> plate in decent condition. It goes to $10 if it is in a color besides white!
> But someone has to find one (thereby proving its' existence) first!
>
> Gary Istok
I have studied the advert again closely, and am of the opinion that this piece
does not exist. I think it's a printer's creative mistake, done just to improve
the composition of the graphics (and to confuse historians in the future ;-). a)
The right-hand end of the part does not look to have the bottom rim correct. b)
If you look at the similar-looking part at the bottom of the cluster of bricks,
the 2x4 looks like a cut and paste (ie literally in those days) of left-hand end
of that 2x8. They couldn't copy any more, because there's a brick in the way. Do
you see what I'm getting at?
Regards,
Phil in Yorkshire
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