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cutting and pasting the part in photoshop despite the 4x2 being a slightly
darker shade, the plate fits precicely over the lower plate. The shadows on
the plate match up too. Phil's definately correct on that one .. but then
I've never known Phil to be wrong :)
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"Gary Istok" <istokg@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> In lugnet.general, Phil Traviss wrote:
> > In lugnet.general, Gerhard R. Istok wrote:
> > > In lugnet.general, Calum Tsang wrote:
> > > > In lugnet.general, Gerhard R. Istok wrote:
> > > > > P.S. Waffle bottom plates exist in quantity in USA/Canada in sizes • 2x8, 4x8,
> > > > > 4x8 curved, and 6x8. But the smaller sizes are the unknowns!
> > > >
> > > > You know, I don't think I've ever seen such a plate, but that's likely • because I
> > > > haven't seen waffle plates in general. What's worse (okay, start your
> > > > cringing)...I throw them out when I get them--they're usually really • grimey and
> > > > in bad condition. (yikes!)
> > > >
> > > > Calum
> > >
> > > Nothing to cringe about. They do seem to get funky quite often. I • have more of
> > > those white waffle bottom plates in a puke yellow hue than I care to • count.
> > > There is one thing that I am going to do with some some of my better • waffle
> > > bottom plates, and that is to use a SNOT technique that shows them as • exterior
> > > building panels in an interesting geometric design.
> > >
> > > Also I would think that nice condition 4x8 right curve and 4x8 left • curve plates
> > > have somewhat of a premium value. They are the only curved plates that • don't
> > > have that notch of missing plastic on the curve (like the macaroni • bricks).
> > >
> > > The reason that these 2x4 (or other small sizes) waffle bottom plates • MIGHT
> > > exist is because it appears that in 1962 TLG switched over to circle • bottom
> > > plates, which use up 1/3 less plastic than the waffle bottom plates (a • 6x8
> > > waffle bottom plate weights 12 grams, a 6x8 circle bottom plate weighs • 9 grams).
> > > And in doing so, most European sets switched over very quickly as well.
> > >
> > > BUT in USA/Canada the waffle bottom plates were seen in sets as late as • 1972.
> > > Samsonite would not be commissioning new waffle bottom molds if they • use up more
> > > plastic. They must have used the old molds that were leftovers from • Europe.
> > > And since TLG started sales of small plates in 1962, it is possible • that some
> > > waffle bottom molds in these small sizes may have existed, but never • used in
> > > Europe (only in Canada).
> > >
> > > Maybe I should make it more appealling and up the ante (not that there • was an
> > > ante to begin with)..... but I'll pay $5 (plus shipping) for a 2x4 • waffle bottom
> > > plate in decent condition. It goes to $10 if it is in a color besides • white!
> > > But someone has to find one (thereby proving its' existence) first!
> > >
> > > Gary Istok
> >
> > I have studied the advert again closely, and am of the opinion that this • piece
> > does not exist. I think it's a printer's creative mistake, done just to • improve
> > the composition of the graphics (and to confuse historians in the future • ;-). a)
> > The right-hand end of the part does not look to have the bottom rim • correct. b)
> > If you look at the similar-looking part at the bottom of the cluster of • bricks,
> > the 2x4 looks like a cut and paste (ie literally in those days) of • left-hand end
> > of that 2x8. They couldn't copy any more, because there's a brick in the • way. Do
> > you see what I'm getting at?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Phil in Yorkshire
>
> Thanks Phil! (I sent him an email and asked him to check this thread out.) • I
> was hoping that there would be a new (old) "undiscovered" Lego part. But • what
> you say makes sense. The photo does look somewhat awkward in that regard. • But
> how do you explain all the 1x1 waffle bottom plates I have in my
> collection?..... (just kidding, all 1x1 plates are in a sense waffle • bottom!!!
> :-p No room for circle bottoms on those plates!).
>
> Phil Traviss is a wealth of knowledge about British Lego. I have picked • his
> brain in the past (and present) about Lego in Britain. Much of my • knowledge of
> rare British Lego comes from Phil!
>
> Thanks Phil!
>
> Gary Istok
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