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Re: Problems with Christianity and Darwinism
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Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:22:05 GMT
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James Brown wrote:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Tom Stangl writes:
> > James Brown wrote:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> > > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Eaton writes:
> > > > But do you really experience life in this fashion? Either doubting
> > > > everything that you haven't perceived personally, or equating the acceptance
> > > > of another's testimony with the kind of Faith necessary to believe in a
> > > > supreme being?
> > >
> > > I think they're more-or-less the same. It doesn't matter if you can verify
> > > something through the scientific method if you don't actually verify it.
> > > You are assuming that it is so - in other words, taking it on faith.
> > >
> > > Hundreds of thousands of people have no knowledge of UFO's outside of
> > > testimonials, but they believe in the existance of UFO's.
> >
> > This is taken on Faith. I believe in extra-terrestrial life. Believing that
> > we are on the only life-bearing planet in the entire universe is pretty
> > arrogant, I think.
> >
> > > Hundreds of thousands of people have no knowledge of Brazil outside of
> > > testimonials, but they believe in the existance of Brazil.
> >
> > Ah, but this is NOT taken on Faith - this can be easily proved - simply buy a
> > plane ticket and watch the ground go by during the flight ;-)
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> No. It *is* taken on faith. (Why are you capitalizing it?) Until and
> unless I buy a plane ticket, and go there and do the experiment (visiting
> Brazil), I am taking it on faith that other people's experiences of Brazil,
> however well or poorly documented, are true.
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> If I do not actually visit Brazil myself, I take it on faith that Brazil
> exists. It doesn't matter how small a leap of faith it is, it is still a
> leap of faith. Or else you're defining faith differently (and IMHO, too
> narrowly).
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> > > > a) I have Faith that such a thing is possible
> > > > b) I have Faith in your testimony of your own experience
> > >
> > > Why, out of curiosity, does Brazil pass this test, and God fail it? At a
> > > fundamental, and conceptual level, there is no difference, unless you go and
> > > perform the experiment (visit Brazil) yourself.
> >
> > You can visit Brazil (I have a co-worker living there right now, so I trust it
> > exists). And I've seen plenty of pictures.
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> You're choosing to trust the testimonial of your friend, and of several
> photographers.
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> > You can't visit God physically. And I have YET to see a picture of him.
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> That's an assumption. Why can't you visit God physically?
Prove you can. Supposedly you only see God when you die - that's not a physical
visit.
Maybe you want to say you can visit him METAphysically, but don't try to convince
me that you can visit him physically.
> <devil's advocate>
> I can't visit Brazil physically. And I have YET to see a picture of it.
> </devil's advocate>
Too cheap to buy a plane ticket?
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| Tom Stangl, Technical Support Netscape Communications Corp
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Message has 2 Replies:
 | | Re: Problems with Christianity and Darwinism
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| (...) No no, you changed it around. You said "You can't visit God physically". Back that up. With replicatable evidence. James wasn't suggesting that you CAN, he was asking why he should believe you that you CAN'T. (...) <james' devil's advocate> I (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
| | | Re: Problems with Christianity and Darwinism
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| <aside>Tom, are you being deliberately obtuse, being a troll, or just missing the point? You appear to be reacting with a degree of hostility whenever the subject of God comes up. (...) I'm not trying to convince you. Why are you not getting that? I (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Problems with Christianity and Darwinism
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| (...) No. It *is* taken on faith. (Why are you capitalizing it?) Until and unless I buy a plane ticket, and go there and do the experiment (visiting Brazil), I am taking it on faith that other people's experiences of Brazil, however well or poorly (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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