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Re: Description vs. argument
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Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:08:25 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
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> May I?
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> > The point I was making about rights concerned political freedoms. For
> > example - here in the UK one could always choose to be, say, a communist.
> > Can you say the same of the US?
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> Yes.
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> And to compare, how is the history of British society and homosexuals? It's
> not exactly a political freedom, but it's similar, and your record sucks.
As does most of the world, up until a few years ago many still viewed this
homosexuality as a medical condition. Thankfully, those days have mostly
passed - so much so that homosexuality is not an issue. Indeed, there are a
few at the highest level of UK politics.
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> > Or did you not have rather unsavoury "witch hunts"?
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> We did.
Why were they not free to be communists? Whay did there right not protect them?
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> > I even hear that in some parts of the US, widely accepted theories
> > such as evolution are not taught to your younger generations - they are not
> > given the freedom to choose?
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> Evolution is not taught in a few places. That is equally bizarre as your not
> having been taught the superiority of free market economics (another widely
> accepted theory).
Free market economics is taught in the UK, or at least it was when I was at
school. Indeed, I know enough about the free market to understand that US is
not one.
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> > While we are talking about education, when did
> > the US get rid of segregation in the education system?
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> Segregation based on what? Skin tone? Um...at least by 1600 in some schools.
> Why do you ask?
"some schools" is not all schools. Where segregation did exist, was the
level of education given equal to all?
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> > Despite that, I'm
> > pretty sure you'd say parents should be able to dictate what is taught in a
> > school, or even select the colour of little Johnnie's class mates?
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> Parents should be able to decide to which school they will send their children.
> That decision could be based on the curricula, social and affective handling,
> rights issues, location, etc. Parents should not dictate what schools teach
> because schools should be private.
But you think it is OK for a school to have a "whites only" outlook?
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> > It was your assertion that you were in some way freer than I due to your
> > constitution. My point above is that may not really be the case.
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> I'm not sure how your "point" is corroborated or supported (or even connected
> in any way) by/to your comments (digs). Maybe you didn't get any satisfactory
> answers because it seemed that all you were trying to do was attack the US,
> rather than contribute to the discussion.
Not quite. I have shown that your system has allowed persecution of
communists and school children based on the colour of their skin. I have
shown you that I have/had freedoms that you do not - but you still claim to
be freer than me?
Scott A
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> Chris
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| (...) Oh...well if that's all it takes, then I can dispel your assertions by mentioning that there are a few blacks at the highest levels of US government too. Great. (...) them? Their rights did protect them. But bad men in the government -- the (...) (26 years ago, 15-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes: May I? (...) Yes. And to compare, how is the history of British society and homosexuals? It's not exactly a political freedom, but it's similar, and your record sucks. (...) We did. (...) Evolution is (...) (26 years ago, 15-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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