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Re: My Gun Control Rant
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:16:00 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> As always, snipped.
>
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
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> > What if you miss? Does your shooter have enough power to force a bullet
> > through wall of your home? What then?
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> I go to the range enough that I don't often miss. But... the bullets I use
> go through the body and then through the wall anyway, even if I don't miss.
> I don't like to use something ineffectual.
OK. So who is in the next room? Your kids? Your dog? Your neighbours?
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> But others do miss. Accidents happen. Small price to pay. Would you give up
> automobiles because accidents happen? This is a specious argument but I
> answered it anyway.
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> > The fact is, statistics show that you
> > are more likely to use your gun on yourself or your family, than you are a
> > criminal.
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> These statistics turn out to be wrong.
Show me they are wrong. 51% of all gun deaths are suicides – perhaps the gun
owners are unstable? Statistically, the person who is most likely to murder
your family is you.
> But even if true, they undermeasure
> deterrence. The situations I care most about are the ones in which no
> criminal is shot, but the crime is deterred. Those don't get measured as
> easily. Certainly not by the stats that you refer to.
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> > Do you keep you gun locked away from your children, or do you sleep with it
> > under your pillow - ready for use?
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> I've answered this before, I think, and not that long ago, but since it's a
> chance to brag about my skills...
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> I keep it locked away, but I practice unlocking it and loading it,
> silently, in complete darkness.
Well this is Ok if your have a noisy / clumsy intruder - otherwise you are
wasting your time.
> I can get it ready for use in about 40
> seconds, and I'm working to improve that time. That means I don't get to
> pull my piece on someone who appears at my bedside, armed. But I gladly take
> that tradeoff against my children's safety since as I said, crime deterrence
> is a secondary consideration for me.
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> > >
> > > Why do I want to be able to deliver deadly force? Because it's a proven
> > > deterrent against crime. HCI "statistics" aside, the record is clear,
> > > concealed carry states have lower crime rates (across time, and in
> > > comparision to states with similar demos that have restrictive laws).
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> > Do you have any basis for this?
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> Yes.
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> > Or are you simply comparing very small numbers?
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> No. The numbers are large enough to be statistically significant.
Let us all see them then please.
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> > Is it a good thing for the ~4000 under 19 years old who die each year due to
> > firaems? Is the chance that a "well regulated militia" will be needed worth
> > that waste Or is is not "waste", but just a price worth paying?
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> Yes.
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> > Did you fear for your life when you were in the UK last year?
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> Yes. Your police are especially ineffectual and incompetent.
I'm pretty sure they are better than your own.
Scott A
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> But then I fear for my life whenever I go on the road, which is all the
> time, since I can't take my gun with me on an airplane. So I've learned to
> deal with that. It's not a big fear.
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> But as I said, I see crime deterrence as secondary to my civic duty to be
> the final check and balance to usurpation.
>
> ++Lar
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| (...) What is your argument....please think about what you've said....obviously you will analyze that whenever you are in the situation. At what point did Larry mention he would fire at any criminal no matter what the cost....I think you're aware (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| As always, snipped. (...) I go to the range enough that I don't often miss. But... the bullets I use go through the body and then through the wall anyway, even if I don't miss. I don't like to use something ineffectual. But others do miss. Accidents (...) (24 years ago, 7-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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