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Re: Nature of man (was Re: Problems with Christianity)
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Tue, 19 Dec 2000 22:32:30 GMT
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But according to others in this group, man doesn't HAVE free will - God knows
everything anyone will do from cradle to grave - where is the free will in
that?
James Brown wrote:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Steve Chapple writes:
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> > The more you describe "your morality", the more (I think) I see the
> > basic problem. The Bible says that man is essentially evil and in
> > need of a Savior - you (I think) say man is essentially good.
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> <snippage for the purpose of emphasis, also because I'm coming in late, and
> am (bluntly) too lazy to hunt up the argument to date and comment in a
> forward-moving way>
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> I'm not sure about other flavours of christianity, but I know that the RC
> church, at least, doesn't hold to the "man is essentially evil" view.
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> The RC position (IANAP) is that man *can be* evil. Man can also be good.
> Man is not inherently either, just inherently imperfect.
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> Man (unlike the remainder of God's creations) has free will, and for that
> free will to be real (as opposed to just a perception of free will), the
> options must exist independent of man's nature; ergo, man is neither good
> nor evil, but has the capacity for either (or both).(1)
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> (I realize that's somewhat circular, but I think my premise can be infered
> more easily than it can be stated catagorically. If anyone would like a
> more detailed follow through, LMK, and I'll endeavour)
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> James
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> 1:That's my derivation, and not a matter of doctrine, AFAIK.
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