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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > >
> > > > > I'm against states expressing a preference one way or the other.
> > > > >
> > > > > ++Lar
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> > > > State? I think you mean society.
> > >
> > > No.
> > >
> > > I wrote state because I meant state. Societies can't express preferences.
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> > I think they can.
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> You're not paying attention, Scott. The very next paragraph explains why a
> society cannot express a preference. The majority of members can hold a
> preference and can use the organs of the state to impose their view, but a
> society, since it is not an entity with a consciousness, cannot express a
> preference.
Does a society not express a preference in a referendum?
>
> >
> > > Members of societes can (forcibly) *impose* their preferences on other
> > > members, through the mechanics of the state, but the society as a whole
> > > cannot have a preference, it's not an entity capable of having preferences.
> >
> > I accept that the majority in a society can implement change - we call it
> > democracy.
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> You may accept an unlimited democracy in which the people can vote
> themselves bread and circuses, at which they watch the minorities they don't
> currently care for get fed to the lions as soon as some demagouge convinces
> them that's the way to vote.... yes, you may accept that.
I think you are putting words in my mouth Larry - and they are all the wrong
ones.
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> But I don't.
>
> I prefer a constrained government which is strictly limited in what it can
> and cannot do. This is a fundamental difference between us. I prefer
> freedom, and you would rather reap the temporary benefits of democratically
> imposed tyranny.
I feel a little sorry for you Larry. You sound so bitter at what you feel
your fellow man has in store for you.
Scott A
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> ++Lar
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