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Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
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Fri, 1 Dec 2000 17:42:10 GMT
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johnneal@uswest#spamless#.net
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Selçuk Göre wrote:
> John Neal wrote:
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> > *There is NOTHING you can do to EARN God's love. God loves us all THE SAME, whether we
> > go around murdering children or serve him as Pope. God *already* loves us; what is there
> > to earn? Whether you want to be with God (heaven) or not (hell), that is up to *you*.
> > You choose the path, not God. God loves you enough to respect your decision as a
> > free-thinking autonomous person (whom God created, BTW).
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> I got the impression that the faith concept is a rather different in
> Christianity. I mean, as I know of from the Islam, faith means god knows
> everything, including our future, so he already knows how I will act in
> future cases. The same Islam also says that, just like other religions,
> you are responsible from your acts, because you choose it by using your
> free will. This produces a quick question: If he already know how we
> act, if there is no escape from faith, then it is already known by him
> where we will go at the end (heaven or hell) so how can we are acting
> with out own free will? To be more clear how can these both things can
> be accurate at the same time, side by side? This is the one of the
> biggest flaws in Islam to me.
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> Since you already said that in Christianity, people assumed to act with
> their own free will so they will face the consequences of their own acts
> at the end, too. So what about the knowledge level of Christian God
> about our future? He know it from the beginning or not? If he knows it
> just as Islam God (how many gods are there by the way..:-), is there any
> explanation for the above paradox in Christianity? Believe it or not,
> I'm just asking for the sake of knowledge.
I fully appreciate your questions. Anyone who argues here for the sake of argument is a fool
and a waster of time. These questions for me strike at the very reason I choose to get up
every day and live. Albert Camus, a great (IMO) Existentialist said something that has never
left me (paraphrase) "The most important question anyone will ever face is whether or not they
should just kill themselves." If you don't have a meaningful reason to live, why bother?
Most people do search for a meaningful existence and don't find satisfactory answers. I
believe only God can provide those answers, not man or the world view of mankind.
But to answer your question, I will say this: don't try and *understand* everything; some
things just need to be accepted (faith). For example, I do not need to understand how Jesus
could be fully human and fully divine at the same time to follow Him. Logic cannot apply to
everything, especially when addressing issues which are so beyond our comprehension. Yes, how
can we have free will with an omniscient God is a huge question which is contested even among
Christians (Calvinists vs non). But just because you cannot understand a paradox doesn't
necessarily negate it. A paradox is meant to be elegantly incomprehensible. Jesus uses many
paradoxes in His teachings. Paradoxes ring true for me, because they try to explain the
unexplainable. This is about as close to understanding God as we can come.
Keep searching, Selcuk-- God will find you:-)
-John
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> Selçuk
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| (...) Wow, that's the answer John. I really appreciated it. I think the only answer for any belief can be "I believe/don't believe it, because I like it this way ay don't feel any need to have any evidences for it" and till now you are the only one (...) (24 years ago, 4-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) I got the impression that the faith concept is a rather different in Christianity. I mean, as I know of from the Islam, faith means god knows everything, including our future, so he already knows how I will act in future cases. The same Islam (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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