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Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
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Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:58:24 GMT
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[Much snippage]
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Selçuk Göre writes:
>
> Bill Farkas wrote:
> > I can hear Britney singing, "Ooops, I did it again...", right now.
> >
> > LAR!! You fell for trap #3. You're making this too easy. I'm waiting for
> > trap #2 also. Will he see it? Will he side-step it? Ignore it? Fall right in
> > like he has twice already? What's next folks?
> >
> > Unfortunately, I'm off to work and must illustrate later. Which kinda makes
> > this even sweeter. Suspense.
> >
> > Oh, and by the way, "my analogy" was EXACTLY what *I* wanted it to be. I got
> > the reply *I* was looking for. Thanks man.
> >
> > Bill
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> So you gave irrelevant illustrations and get responses about how
> irrelevant was. I just can't see any genius trap in it. You obviously
> seem to see so, but again, I still can't figure out what do you want
> the achieve with this plan of yours, or if there is a really plan of
> yours, to say so.
I can see where he's going with it. It's an old chestnut,
basically that only the brave and committed--those above
'so tall' (or is it a statement on predestination--only
those predisposed to being this tall? Bill, have you gone
Old Calvinist on us?)--can get into Heaven. Or maybe it's
just a declaration of victory, a springing of the trap in
anticipation, in the hopes that the 'besprung' will concede?
Al Gore, are you listening? :)
It's still an analogy with no substance, because if you
disallow the basic premise it collapses like a house of
cards, and becomes nothing more than a maze of semantics.
Whether or not he's right, this isn't how it's proven--
for other examples, that in fact he's employed before,
look up 'Pascal's Wager' (for starters). I encountered
a lot of the theological trap-laying and reorganisation of
knowlege hierarchies back in college, when engaged in the
venerable Evolution vs. Creation debates--and as soon as
it became clear that I had a map of their minefield, nobody
was willing to debate me. Strange, that.
best,
LFB
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| (...) No - I'm not a Calvinist, not Arminian either. I don't accept all of either of their writings. Calvin claimed to be infallable! Couldn't take him seriously after that. Arminius I liked a little more, but don't agree with most of what he says - (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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