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Re: From Harry Browne
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Wed, 15 Nov 2000 21:58:26 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
> Did you not get it on purpose?
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> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Maggie Cambron writes:
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> > Well, let's see.... if you want to apply the same logic, you need to choose a
> > comparable crime.
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> I did. Murder of an adult and murder of a fetus. You're turning it around
> wrong.
No, it's just that you and I disagree. To me the "crime", as you would call it,
is the violation of the woman's body. I believe a woman is fully within her
rights to have an abortion if she wants to terminate an unwanted pregnancy as
long as the fetus could not survive on its own outside the womb. An abortion
under those circumstances is not murder.
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> > So it couldn't be one that either of us would consider a
> > mere inconvenience, could it?
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> The inconvenience that my scenario runs paralell to is that of bearing a child
> for nine months in your abdomen.
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> > (Or am I wrong to think you would insinuate that
> > I might consider abortion such a trivial matter?)
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> I don't know what this means.
I do not consider bearing a child in my abdomen for nine months a mere
inconvenience.
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> > How about the crime of rape,
> > which, while not entirely the same type of violation
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> The fetus isn't commiting the crime in the case of abortion, so turning have
> the equation around makes it not work.
From a pro-choice standpoint, a woman is not committing a crime by having an
abortion, so the only way to come close to making the equation work IS to turn
the equation around.
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> [snip]
> > Of course. And if what you decide is right differs from what I decide is
> > right, I promise I won't butt in.
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> But you really are just missing the point entirely. Let us say for the moment
> that you are pro life. Meaning, that you believe deep in your mind, that
> killing a fetus is the same in a moral value sense as killing an adult. OK?
> Just pretend for a bit.
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> Now, I tell you what you are telling me: "This [murder] is a personal decision
> beteen I and my spouse. We need to decide what's right and wrong without
> people in Washington butting in and deciding for us."
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> How do you feel about being told that whether or not to murder is a personal
> decision that shouldn't be governed by law?
Certainly if I held that view, I would be upset that others were committing
what I perceived to be murder. Would I want to impose my beliefs on others to
the extent that I advocate the hijacking of another person's body because of my
views? Truthfully, I don't know. On the whole I'm a laissez-faire kind of
person, so I hope not.
But would I say I'm missing the point? You believe (or are at least arguing
for the belief) that abortion is the greater crime. I, however, believe that
the violation of a woman's body against her will is the greater crime. I don't
miss your point at all. I just disagree with you.
Maggie
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| Maggie Cambron wrote: I hope it's okay to butt in, but I have a question for you, Maggie (or anyone, really; I guess that I just find women's perspectives more vested on this topic). Should a woman who engages in sexual activity as a willing (...) (24 years ago, 15-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| Did you not get it on purpose? (...) I did. Murder of an adult and murder of a fetus. You're turning it around wrong. (...) The inconvenience that my scenario runs paralell to is that of bearing a child for nine months in your abdomen. (...) I don't (...) (24 years ago, 15-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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