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Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne
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Sat, 11 Nov 2000 22:37:14 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
> > I believe that some crimes objectively deserve to be punished by death.
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> This is your second use of "objectively." I think you'll find that it means
> something other than what you think it does. Check out www.dictionary.com.
Since I received several error messages when trying to open dictionary.com,
I will quote you one of the definitions of "objective" from The American
Heritage Dictionary Second College Edition: "2) Having actual existence or
reality." I meant just what I said. You and I have debated the question as
to whether fundamental absolute principles objectively, err... that is,
actually, really ,literally exist. I say that self-evident foundational
truths do indeed exist, and I'm sure that you remember our debate in months
past in which I layed out my argument to the best of my ability. You
disagree with me, and I respect that. We obviously have different
presuppositions regarding the nature of reality.
> > Premeditated murder? Yes.
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> Like military sniping?
Do you really want me to give you my opinion on that matter? You and I no
doubt approach most issues from wholly different perspectives, but I love a
good sound parley.
> > Heinous brutalities? Yes.
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> Like circumcision?
Are you playing devil's advocate, or do you believe that circumcision is
really a moral evil? If you do, well... I'm not going to take issue with
your personal convictions.
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> > Even Rape? I'm not sure, although arguably, Yes.
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> Hard-core victim/agressor rape, date rape, rape-based fantasy fulfilment being
> called rape by a sour-grapes girlfriend?
Rape (just so we understand our terms)as defined by The American Heritage
Dictionary Second College Edition: "The crime of forcing another person to
submit to sexual intercourse." I mean rape. Wait...here's another
definition: "The refuse of grapes left after the extraction of the juice in
wine-making." Sour-grapes girlfriends? Now I'm just confused.
> > The primary responsibility of the criminal
> > justice system is to deliver justice.
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> Justice is a sham. It's a phantom. It doesn't exist. When possible the most
> appealing remedy at hand should be sought when one treads on the rights of
> another. That's all.
Are you absolutely sure, or is that a subjective opinion?
> > Rehabilitation is secondary, and should
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> Rehabilitation is all there is. Why are you so angry? Why not try to help
> people who obviously have a great need for it?
Again, an impass. I believe that some things really do actually
(objectively) call for punishment. Justice demands it. You do not believe
that Justice Exists, so we are speaking different languages.
James
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