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Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne
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Fri, 10 Nov 2000 16:04:14 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:


Scott A wrote:

In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
The whole problem of the abortion debate is that it is actually *two*
debates intertwined into one.  One, whether the government has the right
to tell one what one can do with one's body (most would say no),

This issue aside, I can't agree with this. Goverment should also protect us
from ourselves.

Government should protect us from ourselves???  This is an absurd statement in
my mind (see my statement about avoiding personal responsibility), but I sense
a fundamental disagreement here as to the purpose of government and will agree
to disagree.

I agree :)


If one were to decide to take ones own life, one would
expect "government" to get involved.

and
whether one has the right to take the life of another (most would say
no).

Perhaps. However, a man was democratically executed in Texas last-night(?).

Scott Simpson in the post above differentiates very well the difference
between ending the life of an innocent fetus, and ending the life of a brutal
murderer, etc.  My statement assumed unjustified taking of a life.  Government
executions of convicted criminals are just (assuming a fair trial).

The problem here is what is "unjustified" to you may be OK to me - or vise
versa. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one too.

Scott A


-John



Scott A


Until we can separate these two issues, the abortion debate with *never*
be solved, especially in a time when our culture is so reticent to the
idea of accepting personal responsibility for personal actions.

-.02,
John

Larry Pieniazek wrote:

In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:

I missed this ref, it's even better:

http://www.lp.org/lpn/9807-pulse.html

(note that both of these refs were found by typing "abortion" into the
search box at the bottom of the front page of the www.lp.org site...)

I'm in the 4.9% camp at the moment.

++Lar



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  Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne
 
(...) Well, not what "unjustified" means to *me*, but to what society says. In the case of capital punishment, society may say that *that* is justice; therefore executions are justified in the eyes of that society. If you mean to agree to disagree (...) (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne
 
(...) Government should protect us from ourselves??? This is an absurd statement in my mind (see my statement about avoiding personal responsibility), but I sense a fundamental disagreement here as to the purpose of government and will agree to (...) (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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