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Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne
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Fri, 10 Nov 2000 16:04:14 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> 
> 
> Scott A wrote:
> 
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> > > The whole problem of the abortion debate is that it is actually *two*
> > > debates intertwined into one.  One, whether the government has the right
> > > to tell one what one can do with one's body (most would say no),
> > 
> > This issue aside, I can't agree with this. Goverment should also protect us
> > from ourselves.
> 
> Government should protect us from ourselves???  This is an absurd statement in
> my mind (see my statement about avoiding personal responsibility), but I sense
> a fundamental disagreement here as to the purpose of government and will agree
> to disagree.

I agree :)

> 
> > If one were to decide to take ones own life, one would
> > expect "government" to get involved.
> > 
> > > and
> > > whether one has the right to take the life of another (most would say
> > > no).
> > 
> > Perhaps. However, a man was democratically executed in Texas last-night(?).
> 
> Scott Simpson in the post above differentiates very well the difference
> between ending the life of an innocent fetus, and ending the life of a brutal
> murderer, etc.  My statement assumed unjustified taking of a life.  Government
> executions of convicted criminals are just (assuming a fair trial).

The problem here is what is "unjustified" to you may be OK to me - or vise
versa. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one too.

Scott A

> 
> -John
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Scott A
> > 
> > > 
> > > Until we can separate these two issues, the abortion debate with *never*
> > > be solved, especially in a time when our culture is so reticent to the
> > > idea of accepting personal responsibility for personal actions.
> > > 
> > > -.02,
> > > John
> > > 
> > > Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > > 
> > > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > > > 
> > > > I missed this ref, it's even better:
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.lp.org/lpn/9807-pulse.html
> > > > 
> > > > (note that both of these refs were found by typing "abortion" into the
> > > > search box at the bottom of the front page of the www.lp.org site...)
> > > > 
> > > > I'm in the 4.9% camp at the moment.
> > > > 
> > > > ++Lar



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  Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne
 
(...) Well, not what "unjustified" means to *me*, but to what society says. In the case of capital punishment, society may say that *that* is justice; therefore executions are justified in the eyes of that society. If you mean to agree to disagree (...) (26 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne
 
(...) Government should protect us from ourselves??? This is an absurd statement in my mind (see my statement about avoiding personal responsibility), but I sense a fundamental disagreement here as to the purpose of government and will agree to (...) (26 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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