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Re: Why is AIDS such a big deal?
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Thu, 25 May 2000 00:18:24 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > Ah, Hobson's choice number one. I'll choose the LAR method - coin flip says • -
> > NO.
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> Was that really a coin flip? I doubt it. I really truly believe (see your
> weaseling below) that you don't think people ever need to take responsibility
> for ANYTHING, even if they do know all the risks. Stating that there are
> unknown risks ducks the question. So I'd say it was an automatic NO rather • than
> a coin flip, because I haven't presented a Hobson's choice and you know it.
It was a coin flip. IMO, its not a yes/no, black/white question.
> > However, your question (and your eternal preaching on this subject) makes
> > the asumption that everyone knows all the risks involved in everything they • do.
> > If only that were true. But its far from true. Merely assuming that • someone
> > should know the risks of something they do does not equate to them fully
> > knowing and understanding the risks. If that were true, there would be no
> > teenage pregnancy, no deaths from drug reactions, etc.
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> Weaseling.
Why is it weaseling to expect people to assume the responsibility for risks
they did not know of? Did you know that Singapore (I think it was Singapore)
had laws for minor infractions like gum chewing and spitting on the street
before the kid got caned a few years ago?
[snip]
> I was talking about lobbying here, sorry, not solving problems, which I
> thought was fairly obvious from the context. So "contributes the most" means
> contributes to the politicians reelection campaigns, not to solving the
> problem. So, consider answering again, since you disingeniously misinterpreted
> the question.
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> An analogy:
> The NEA contributes the most to political reelection campaigns, when compared
> to the home schoolers or the fans of vouchers. So they seem to have the most
> say about how education dollars are spent, despite being part of the problem
> (what's wrong with merit pay, exactly? Are all 17 year seniority teachers in a
> district worth exactly the same pay? I don't think so). For instance, the
> education part of Gore's positions is exactly the NEA line.
Irregardless of the NEA's policies and politics, and I was a teacher, I'd be
incredibly terrified of any decision made about how education dollars are spent
without their input. I definitely would not want that left up to the
politicians.
But an aside, the biggest problem with America's schools is not the teachers,
nor the students, but the parents. Parent involvement is at a all time low.
Unless the parents put in an effort to be a part of their child's education,
the child is doomed. Why is it that Asian and Jewish children are so
successful in school, even those schools with low reading and math scores?
Because of the parent's involvement.
> However, for privately funded things you are absolutely right, whoever puts up
> the funds should have absolute say over what they are spent on. Surprised me
> that you realised that given your stance on ducking responsibility.
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> ++Lar
Lar (noticed I spelled and capped it correctly), my stance is not "ducking
responsibility", my stance is simply that it is not a black and white issue.
From your response to my response regarding the traffic accident, I think you
agree.
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| (...) Was that really a coin flip? I doubt it. I really truly believe (see your weaseling below) that you don't think people ever need to take responsibility for ANYTHING, even if they do know all the risks. Stating that there are unknown risks (...) (25 years ago, 23-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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