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Re: Mormon bashing again
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Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:33:52 GMT
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My personal summation of the matter is as follows:
(not that anyone should or will care)
Ultimately, this matter started over the issue of posting of the ten
commandments and teaching creation. Still, it's hard to say that the simple
posting of the commandments is government mandated religion. Advocating a
particular religion is not a violation of anyone's rights - re: national
recognition of Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving, etc. Posting of the ten
commandments does not mean that everyone is subject to them. They are currently
posted at the Supreme Court and we still got Roe V. Wade. Why is it that
religious people are supposed to remove all reference to religion out of
respect for the non-religious, but the non-religious are not capable of seeing
the ten commandments without being bent out of shape? Who is more oppressive?
The ten commandments did, in fact, have a great deal to do with the founding of
this country - which, as I mentioned at the beginning of this thread, gives at
least some credibility to them. Our founders were greatly impacted by
judeo-christian principles. Some have called Christianity an evil system which
consistently produces flawed people - yet how did such flawed followers of such
an evil system conceive such a great nation where freedom and prosperity have
flourished like never before in the history of man. In other words, how did
such flawed people create the greatest nation ever? I'm speaking ideally, not
necessarily of the current manifestation.
You cannot ignore the fact that the constitution guarantees our rights because
they are given by our "Creator". Is it not plausible that if we do away with
our "Creator" we then do away with our rights? Is it not possible that some
fancy Johnny Cochran type can come along and challenge the Constitution on this
basis? Far fetched? Maybe. Who would've thought 100 years ago that we would be
arguing some of the issues that are commonplace today?
Some have expressed the opinion that weak minded people turn to religion as a
crutch - no more so than others turn to "education" as an anesthetic.
As for creation/evolution: neither can be scientifically proven, although the
existence of God can be realized by the one who seeks Him to the degree that it
becomes evidence to that person. I have come to personally KNOW God and yet
those who have not personally witnessed evolution call me foolish. Proponents
of evolution, when backed into a corner over the lack of evidence will use
"theistic evolution" as a wild card. Without God, evolution has the same
dilemma as creation: where did the matter of the Big Bang come from (as opposed
to "where did God come from?").
We cannot deny that we all strive for meaning, for identity, for purpose,
significance, acceptance and love. These are not mere biological by-products or
chemical reactions. They are evidence of something more. These things cannot be
seen with a microscope yet they exist and impact each one of us to the point of
defining who we are - in respect to whether we acheive them or not. The fact
that we desire more, seek to be more, means that there is more.
Those who have decried the "evils" of religion must be fair and admit that true
followers of every religion have made immeasurable contributions to the
betterment of the world as a whole. Many heinous acts have been perpetrated in
the name of Christianity, yet all the examples given from history were
primarily committed by the Catholic Church - which is exactly the reason for
the Reformation. Protestants separated from the Church because they felt it had
become tyrannical and had abandonned Christian principles. This is simple
history not opinion. All Christians cannot be held responsible for the actions
of ignorant zealots, whether they were parents or some other authority figure,
who have abused those they have come in contact with. If the exceptions define
the rule - then those who have truthfully practiced what they believe negate
the assertion that christianity is inherently flawed.
I know what I know because I have seen it with my own eyes - those who disagree
with me cannot make the same claim.
Bill
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 | | Re: Mormon bashing again
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| (...) currently (...) This has been addressed in this string already. If you don't want the 8 fold path forced on you, it is only reasonable that you shouldn't force the 10 commandments on someone else. It's that simple. (...) of (...) such (...) If (...) (25 years ago, 16-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
| | | Re: Mormon bashing again
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| I would let this whole post of yours slide as it repeats the same refuted themes. But I can't let this one item go. (...) It is NOT AT ALL hard to say that this is government mandated religion, and the fact that you don't seem to see why shows that (...) (25 years ago, 16-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Mormon bashing again
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| Arg. I gotta vent. Slashdot is carrying an article (1) on how the Utah legislature is trying to enfore internet filtering in public libraries. Somehow, this topic has become a Mormon-bashing extravaganza. I was going to post there, but I suspect (...) (25 years ago, 1-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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