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Re: Trying to understand
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Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:32:52 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Edward Sanburn writes:
> Update:
>
> Billy boy just said "Kids are dying everyday (Unless Congress passes new
> gun control laws), they don't know it's an election year."
>
> Al Gore was babbling about campaign finance reform, he is the one who
> can't even follow the laws in the first place!
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> Can we wait until January to rip these malcontents out of the White
> House?
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> Dan Boger wrote:
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> > On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:27:57 GMT "Scott E. Sanburn" <ssanburn@cleanweb.net> • wrote
> > concerning 'Re: Trying to understand':
> > > Well, here is a gut wrencher for all of you non violent types: teach
> > > this in school. (The sound of alarms going off, leftists kicking in
> > > their screens, mass rioting and hysteria result!) I have told this in
> > > the last round of gun debates here in off topic, but here goes again
> > > because we have some new people here:
> >
> > I agree that there should be better education - but as long as guns
> > are around, accidents will happen. IDF [1] makes everyone go through
> > basic training (anything from 3 weeks to 6 months) - in which they are
> > tought a lot about weapons, and weapons safty - that doesn't mean that
> > there are no gun accidents in the army though. Same goes for school -
> > yes, you should teach kids how to be safe with guns, it doesn't mean
> > they should be able to walk up to dad's cabinet and play with his
> > shotgun.
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> Well, yes, but that's the parents job in the first place. The parent
> should teach the children about guns, and the care. My dad had a loaded
> pistol for years, and I never took it or played with it, and it was
> always in an accessible place. He taught me about it.
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> > what's the hysteria again? (I may be lost)... isn't the issue trigger
> > locks? what's wrong with you getting with a new gun a trigger lock?
> > nothing says you have to use it, or that you can't throw it away...
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> A trigger lock issue is just another attempt by the government
> (Clinton/Gore Administration especially) to get rid of guns, pure and
> simple. A trigger lock might solve some minor problems, but will hurt
> others. More legislation, more laws, etc. will not work. More education,
> both by the NRA, and parents, would do better. The government can't do
> anything right, and this is no different.
I don't see how a trigger lock is an attempt to get rid of guns. A trigger lock
is SUPPOSED to help prevent an accidental discharge from a gun, over and above
what the safety switch is for. Do you think there was this much debate when the
standard safety was added?
As far as education is concerned, I agree whole-heartedly with it. I don't know
of anyone who has been seriously injured as a result of an education. (lack of
one maybe, but that's another topic) I'm not sure that I'm for the NRA being
the educating body though. I have found the NRA's stance on too many subjects
conflicts with my own. I do like the story about the State Troopers
demonstration though. They are qualified individuals in a position of authority
who are respected by most kids of that age. It's one thing to know how to fire
a weapon. It's another to see the destruction that that weapon can cause.
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> > isn't it? I think it still pretty rare that people carry (and use)
> > guns on their commute... and I do think that road-rage will be a lot
> > more scary if half the drivers were armed.
>
> I wasn't talking about road rage, I was talking about carry / conceal
> laws. Sorry, I got sidetracked.
>
>
> > but doesn't that contradict your statment about how it's a right to
> > carry arms? Don't felons have rights? (This is just for the debate's
> > sake - I believe in a stricter gun control, not looser)
>
> No, because once you start committing felonies and the like, you do
> loose rights and so forth. The constitutional right to bear arms does
> fall under this.
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> As soon as I can put controls and restrictions on your free speech
> right, you can put restrictions on my gun rights. >:(
For debates sake, those controls are already there. You have libel cases and
cases where yelling "fire!" are both restricted.
>
> Scott S.
-Duane
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| Update: Billy boy just said "Kids are dying everyday (Unless Congress passes new gun control laws), they don't know it's an election year." Al Gore was babbling about campaign finance reform, he is the one who can't even follow the laws in the first (...) (25 years ago, 15-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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