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Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods?
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Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:05:04 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Erik Olson writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, James Brown writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Erik Olson writes:
> > > It's gotten quiet here, and we're off the lugnet.homepage. I'm going to see • if
> > > anything runs out of the bushes when I do this...
> >
> > Are you lobbying to have this changed to lugnet.off-topic.troll?
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> > > All this splitting hairs & quoting Paul to rule on whether a sinner can be
> > > saved and get away with sinning.... I sure hope you religious people intend
> > > for your flocks to interpret this as having some relevance for what they do
> > > right now. Because I'll tell you this: NOT ONE OF YOU knows if you're saved.
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> > How do you know that? Are you claiming omniscience? You *believe* no one
> > knows if they're saved with the same apparant fervor that many christians
> > *believe* they are saved. If you're going to tell the christians they don't
> > know better, don't fall into the same trap, or you look silly.
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> My meaning was that it's not knowledge, it's faith. You don't *know* your
> saved until you experience it. If you mean some psychological transformation,
> fine, but nobody knows anything about the afterlife. It's all hearsay. You
> have to take other people's word for it, and how did they know? You can't
> fund a laboratory, or study for 50 years, and gain one solitary perception of
> the afterlife. It's not knowledge.
And my point was that you can't claim to know they aren't saved either. For
all you know, God does talk to each and every professed christian and
influence them to act as they do.
You are, in fact, *less* likely to know than they are. In general, people are
more likely to know something about themselves than they are about someone
else. I was pointing out that by claiming to know something that has no
evidence one way or the other is changing the meaning of "know" into
"believe".
You don't know there isn't a god. You *believe* there isn't a god.
James
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| (...) And I don't know that monkeys aren't about to fly out of my butt either. But all the objective rational evidence, that is, stuff that can be used to make meaningful predictions, stuff that can be measured and tested, points against it. Your (...) (25 years ago, 10-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) My meaning was that it's not knowledge, it's faith. You don't *know* your saved until you experience it. If you mean some psychological transformation, fine, but nobody knows anything about the afterlife. It's all hearsay. You have to take (...) (25 years ago, 10-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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