 | | Re: Rush: "Lego is a Tool for 4 year olds" —Kevin Loch
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| | | It's simple. Rush is very conservative. Conservatives in general do not like the artistic or creative elements of society, which is what LEGO products encourage. Conservatives in general also do not favor innovations in education, (of which this (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Rush: "Lego is a Tool for 4 year olds" —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | | Kevin, (...) I am a conservative, and I love the brick. Stereotypes of any trait don't do justice, one that has been used in debate too much, IMO. (...) Avoiding the law and court ruling is not innovating, IMO. It is ducting the real issues. (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Rush: "Lego is a Tool for 4 year olds" —Kevin Loch
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| | | | | | (...) That's why I said "in general" Obviously there are exceptions, and you would expect to find them here on LUGNET. (...) I guess we would have to look at the motive. If the motive was in fact to skirt the law then it's wrong, and probably not (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Rush: "Lego is a Tool for 4 year olds" —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | | | | Kevin, (...) That's what the article said, which I mentioned in the quote earlier. (...) Mine was probably CAD and drafting classes, along with history. Again, I think this is just a way to get around the recent court rulings about affirmative (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Rush: "Lego is a Tool for 4 year olds" —John Cromer
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| | | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Edward Sanburn writes: [SNIP] (...) Once again, Limbaugh shows his vast ignorance. These kinds of tests are routinely used by management consulting firms to test employees to see how well they fit into an (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Rush: "Lego is a Tool for 4 year olds" —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Or you are showing yours, but I digress... (...) Yes, but what does that have to do with admitting minorities into a college? Business and college are very different. (...) Yes, see above.. (...) Yes, work again... (...) My point exactly. (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Rush: "Lego is a Tool for 4 year olds" —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | | | Sorry, just a nitpick: (...) I just want to point out that the single largest group that has benefited from Affirmative Action and equal-hiring legislation is actually white females, both numerically and qualitatively. What's to fear from adding a (...) (24 years ago, 2-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Rush: "Lego is a Tool for 4 year olds" —Matthew Wilkins
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| | | | | | | | | Lindsay, have you ever been passed up for a job because you were a white male? "Sorry, even though you are the most qualified, and out of work, we hired this Hispanic guy with no experience and a family to support because the government will pay (...) (24 years ago, 2-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Rush: "Lego is a Tool for 4 year olds" —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | | | | | Lindsay, (...) That's not what the article was about, or the intention of this and other tests. Affirmative action is discrimination, and should not be there period, whether whit females, pink elephants, or blue martians benefit from it. No one (...) (24 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Rush: "Lego is a Tool for 4 year olds" —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | I'm just sort of picking tiny snippets to comment on... (...) I know for a fact from personal experience that a high SAT score is not a perfect predictor of college success (at a good college, where good study skills are important). Don't even ask (...) (24 years ago, 2-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Rush: "Lego is a Tool for 4 year olds" —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | (...) No one claims that it is a perfect predictor. Not high schools, not colleges, not even SAT. (...) SAT is a pretty good predictor. It maybe didn't predict well for you, but on average it does. And it's a hell of a lot cheaper for schools and (...) (24 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Rush: "Lego is a Tool for 4 year olds" —Rich Manzo
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| | | | (...) Note- Not all Conservatives do not favor innovations. I am VERY conservative but I am also open to hear new ideas, and to see the results of those ideas. -Rich (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Rush: "Lego is a Tool for 4 year olds" —James Powell
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| | | | (...) Rich, and every one else out there!...Conservative _IS_ exactly that, IE, not all that forward looking. You are by definition if you look to new ideas _not_ a conservative. It always strikes me as funny that here in Canada, one of the major (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Rush: "Lego is a Tool for 4 year olds" —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | | (...) Actually, most conservatives, in the US, are classical liberals, that do want to change a lot of things. I think we are going into different issues here. (...) Just because you are a progressive, doesn't mean you look forward either. Scott S. (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Rush: "Lego is a Tool for 4 year olds" —Rich Manzo
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| | | | | (...) conservative (...) _not_ (...) Conservative-1, Tending to conserve 2, Tending to preserve established institutions: opposed to change. This is the definition of the word "conservative" that is given in the Websters New World Dictionary. I am a (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Rush: "Lego is a Tool for 4 year olds" —Kevin Loch
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| | | | | | | (...) What exactly is an "academically intelligent" person? Is that a person that just knows how to get good grades? I remember many excellent students that were not so intelligent. Especially in High School, where there was a much more direct (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Rush: "Lego is a Tool for 4 year olds" —Rich Manzo
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| | | | | | | | (...) What I ment by "academicallly intelligent" person was somebody who excels in the traditional areas of academics, reading, writing, history etc. Not someone who can make the best duplicate of a Lego robot. -Rich (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Rush: "Lego is a Tool for 4 year olds" —James Powell
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| | | | | | | | (...) And a "academically intelligent" person is always the best person to solve a problem? This is the thing, the collages have to look outside the box (outside the top 5-10-33% of students _by marks_ or _by SAT_ or by any other method that is (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Rush: "Lego is a Tool for 4 year olds" —Rich Manzo
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| | | | | | | | (...) someone (...) What I was stating in the initial message was that a Lego robot test would harm the acadamically intelligent student. And it would. As have stated before that does not mean that I am content with the current system. I admit that (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Rush: "Lego is a Tool for 4 year olds" —James Powell
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| | | | | | (...) I would _disagree_ with you that the test to see how well a group of you can rebuild a lego robot is a poor test. I think that it is _just_ as valid a test as a SAT or other "grade" test, it is _not_ the only thing that should be tested for (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Rush: "Lego is a Tool for 4 year olds" —Scott P. Costello
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| | | | (...) _not_ (...) Generally when someone professes to be a conservative they are refering to their belief in conservative values, i.e. God, family, rule of law, and individual freedoms. The term conservative has nothing to do with foresight or (...) (24 years ago, 2-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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