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1) Disclaimer: I think Chris and I do agree on most things, I think our
trains of thought have crashed or whatever, maybe missed the station?
2) I had to type this twice, as Netscape crashed. Tom S, were are you?
Christopher Weeks wrote:
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> You know Scott, I really don't get you sometimes. My post was mildly
> derogatory to a faceless group - not to you - and you completely took it
> as an attack.
Well, I get attacked so much, it is nothing new to me. If I misread, I
apologize.
>
> "Scott E. Sanburn" wrote:
> >
> > Christopher Weeks wrote:
> >
> > > Exactly! So you chose the opposite party.
> >
> > What my parents did have nothing to do what I believed in, thank you
> > very much.
>
> You're welcome to believe what you want. That's fine. I don't happen
> to believe the same thing. I believe that it is essentially impossible
> for the opinions of your parents to have played no role in your
> political beliefs. I'm sorry if that offends or scares you or
> something, but I think that's just how we all work.
Perhaps a little, but they never talked to me about politics, and I
never even got into it until I went to Ohio State when I was 18. I think
I did not care until I went there.
>
> > > Sure. I'm not saying that those things have nothing to do with it. You
> > > obviously give these issues some thought, but I still say that people
> > > have more hidden baggage behind these kinds of decisions than they
> > > typically know.
> >
> > Well, since you know so much about me, tell me why I chose what I did,
> > since I obviously don't know anything!
I think I misinterpreted, but anyway:
> How do you derive from my general statements about the psychology of
> belief that I claim to know a great deal about you. I know fairly
> little about you. (I think) I know (in no particular order):
>
> 1. You work two jobs (I think you bag groceries and work a CAD package)
Actually, I push carts, I don't go down to the bagger level, and I get
cashiers wages, which is a big plus. Also, I run Autocad here at AEI,
and now I am Systems Administrator, which AEI is sending me to class for
now, so I am happy! I was busy the last couple of days, the Systems
Admin and the CADD Systems Admin were here from our headquarters in
Madison, helping me to get the system tuned up and everything, so I
learned a lot the last couple of days.
> 2. You live in Michigan
Most of my live.
> 3. You are very conservative politically
Yes.
> 4. You are strongly Christian
Hmm.... I am a Christian, my faith is there, but like most things, it
has it's peaks and valleys.
> 5. You allow more errors in writing to slip through than most people here
I will let this statement pass through.....
> 6. You seem to freak out about stuff from time to time
Ha! I freak out all the time, namely because I am a freak / extremist,
AFAIK!
> 7. You like LEGO
No, I love LEGO, the brick and all of its wonderful possibilities...
> 8. You are currently annoyed with me
No, misunderstanding is more like it. I am calmer now.....
> 9. You have a sister, a father and a mother
Well, technically, she is my half sister (My dad adopted her, she has a
different father), I have not seen my dad since March of 1994, and my
mom resides in Flint Michigan. I have a stepdad and his family as well.
> 10. ...(I can't think of anything else right off hand)
I also like video games, but I don't have much time for that. That goes
for LEGO as well, sad to say. :(
>
> > > they're certainly not conservative Republicans. That rank is designated
> > > for whacked out religious fascists.
> >
> > Talk about name calling!
>
> I guess I meant that as an expression of a generally accepted viewpoint.
> I suppose that was foolish. I generally affiliate most of my peers
> with conservatism and they seem to believe that the far right is
> populated by those who we feel comfortable labeling as 'whacked out
> religious fascists.' YMMV.
Ah, I think I misread...
> > I think libertarian views are very close to
> > true conservative politics,
>
> I think that depends on what you consider conservative politics? (e.g.
> prayer in school, abortion rights, foreign policy, family values,
> renegging on UN debt, Reaganomics, etc.) But I still disagree. I think
> it's about as much like conservative politics (by which I'm assuming you
> mean Republican politics) as it is liberal politics (by which I mean Democratic).
Hmm... well, going on what I do know of conservative politics and
libertarian politics, I think they are very similar. It depends on what
part of conservatism you are talking about. There are numerous parts
(moral, fiscal, etc.) I looked over the Libertarian platforms last week,
and there are only a few minor issues that I disagree with. Most of
them, I do. that's where I look at it from.
>
> > I did
> > score a libertarian on that political poll that someone posted earlier
>
> Everyone (well most people) score as libertarians on that. Therein lies
> it's value to the LP.
Interesting, I read your post from this morning on that. I know some
people who got left liberal and authoritarian in my office.
> > in this thread, BTW, even though I am a "whacked out religious fascist",
>
> I want it to be clear that I never said that. You are the only one who
> has even so much as implied that you fit that title. I'm not saying by
> this that I think you're not, either. I just don't know.
Misread, I think we addressed this now, anyway.
> > What do you consider yourself, so I can line up the proper name calling on you?
>
> Human. What do you mean? In what sense? I am sympathetic to the
> libertarian political movement, but I am more extreme. I am non
> religious. I suppose my views are sufficiently divergent from the norm
> that whacked-out would mildly fit.
Hmm... alright. I guess if you do not fit into the norm, then you are
whacked-out, I know I am.
> > > That rank is designated
> > > for whacked out religious fascists.
> >
> > You know, this statement really keys me in to what most people think,
> > which is so not true its pitiful, but I don't feel like going into it at
> > this point.
>
> Really, it shoudl only key you into what I think. I'm not most people.
> Please tell me what is pitiful about what you believe I think based on
> the label I used. I mean this quite seriously.
Misread, I think I took this as something, which you never intended. I
think we cleared this up, didn't we?
> > > > I have seen too many examples of socialism failing, and the Democratic
> > > > party seems to be the place for leftists, socialists, etc. That is why.
> > > > I could care less what my parents do, in terms of their voting record.
> > >
> > > I believe that you could care less.
> >
> > Care less about what? My parents? Could you clarify, or just call me
> > fascist again?
>
> Fascist!
Oh No!!! (Falls on floor!)
> Psych! No really, I was making a subtle (which at least one person
> noticed) comment on the commonly misused phrase "I could care less"
> which should be "I couldn't care less." The former is a vernacular
> resulting from lazy ignorance over the years. It is used to mean the
> opposite of what it quite obviously does mean. It seemed particularly
> fitting in this case because you were using it to exclaim that you don't
> care what the opinions of your parents are, when in fact you literally
> suggested that you do care - and maybe even implied that you care more
> than just a little.
Well, considering my parents were registered Democrats, their views are
not that important to me. I have never talked to my dad, which I have
mentioned I have not seen him since 1994, about politics, but I would
like to do so, if I see him again. As for the could care less statement,
I keep forgetting that, and I should be careful about that one.
>
> I hope it was OK for me to do both - call you a fascist again and clarify.
Hey, call me what you want, it is debate, after all. I think this is
cleared up. I think are pretty much on the same road in terms of
politics, I might be a little off now and again, but like Larry said
once, we are both on the same road to freedom. I just crash into the
barriers every now and again! :)
Sincerely,
Scott S.
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