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Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
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Thu, 6 Jan 2000 19:04:35 GMT
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Dave,

Dave Schuler wrote:

  Maybe part of the dilemma is coming from confusion between the "right to
health care" and the "right not to be prevented from obtaining health care."
Certainly there's nothing in the Constitution guaranteeing a right to health
care or housing, and no one worth talking to would suggest otherwise.  Beyond
the Constitution, though, I would support the premise that everyone has the
right "not to be prevented from obtaining health care," which is certainly not
a guaranteed right to have health care.  For me, it's similar to the "pursuit
of happiness" line; we're not granted the right to happiness, but the right to
its pursuit.

Well, whatever form it may be, it is still the same. My point is that
whether you talk about providing health care, being prevented from
having health care, etc., someone still has to pay for it. Whether that
be the government, or individuals. It seems, especially since hearing Al
Gore & Bill Bradley debate, they think government should provide it to
everybody, regardless of what damage it can do to the budget, the health
care industry, etc. That is my point.

  I will assert, though, that arguments based on "this country was founded on"
must be examined carefully for their relevance and validity in today's world.
Today's nation is sufficiently different from its 18th century counterpart to
require additional support for an argument, even if that argument is based
largely on what was written 200 years ago.

I disagree. Without what founded this country over two hundred years
ago, we would not enjoy the prosperity, freedom, and unparalleled
opportunity that we have today. I think most people wrote off, IMO, some
of the most important writings on how the people and government
interact.
We certainly would not have the internet, or LUGNET, for that matter, if
the Nazi flag or some other dictator took over. The world would be a
very different place.

Scott S.
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  Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
 
(...) Bzzt. Scott "loses" the debate, he mentioned Nazis first. Darn, he was doing so well, too. <grin> (25 years ago, 6-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
 
Scott: (...) D'oh! I forgot to address that! With "not being prevented from obtaining health care" I was trying to avoid implying that "the people" should pick up the bill. My oversight! (...) Well, the easiest criticism against this is that (...) (25 years ago, 6-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
 
(...) You still haven't shown that they are still completely relevant. Past successes do not equal future successes. See stockmarket. Jasper (25 years ago, 7-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
 
(...) Will you stop? Where do you get that idea? What "higher power"? That's not it at all. My goodness what a stew of misconceptions. Do you listen to anything I say or are you just so sure you know what it is that it all blows past you? One more (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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