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Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
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Thu, 6 Jan 2000 04:36:23 GMT
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> Matthew Miller wrote:
> >
> > Scott E. Sanburn <ssanburn@cleanweb.net> wrote:
> > > The US Constitution and Bill of Rights, coined by the founding fathers,
> > > all rights are God given.
> >
> > This sentence doesn't seem to make any sense to me. Can you rephrase/explain
> > what you're saying?
>
> Insert an "under" in front and you should be able to parse it, although
> it may still be on shaky grammatical ground.
Very shaky ground, my eyes certainly are!
>
> >
> > > As in the "rights" of health care, etc., in theory, all are good ideas, in
> > > utopia. In reality, there is a difference. What does the market do? Who
> > > will pay for it? Is it in the nations best interest. Who will enforce it?
> > > Will we lose national sovereignty, etc.
> >
> > Ok. So if they're good ideas in a perfect world, is there a problem with
> > saying that those are things we want to strive for as a
> > society/cuture/nation/people?
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> Yes, there is. One can certainly say that we'd like everyone to have an
> education, good health care, and a secure retirement. Laudable goals,
> and ones that I share. But there is a big leap from stating that as a
> desired attribute of society, to stating that everyone has a RIGHT to
> those things.
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> For, once you say that, you have to say where these free goods come
> from.
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> In the "all rights are property rights" view, there are no free goods
> and no theft by government is required to provide those free goods to
> the folks who somehow have stumbled into these rights to free goods,
> because they aren't in fact rights.
>
> The US Bill of rights is fine and doesn't need gravy train extensions.
Yes sir. Larry has the unique ability to clean up what rambling I have,
and make it a clear and concise point. All hail Larry!
Scott "losing the ability to type" S.
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