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Re: Pastel = Profit (Was Re: 2000 Dealer catalogue Removal Request Backfire?))
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Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:40:56 GMT
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Frank Filz wrote:

Christopher Weeks wrote:
Is the idea behind being on the yes side a moral one about property
rights or is it based on cultivating a relationship with TLC?  If it's a
moral one, then I guess we just disagree because the only things like
morals that I have are based on contracts (in a broad sense) to which I
have agreed, and personal aesthetics (which people sometimes
over-emotionally call honor).

I want to understand your point here better. The above reads to me that
you only respect property rights when you have willingly entered into a
contract with someone. Is this really true? Do I need to sign a contract
with you before I let you into my apartment lest you decide that you
want all my LEGO sets?

Please clarify.

Hi Frank,

Actually, the reasoning for why your property is safe while I'm in your
apartment falls under both my contract and aesthetics categories.  When
I refer to contracts in a broad sense I don't just mean reams of
legalese with hundreds of spots to initial and a big page of signatures
at the bottom.  I include verbal commitments as well as certain
'understood' commitments.  I am a verbose advocate of property rights so
I feel committed to upholding that ideal.

In addition, I want the world to be a place where property rights (as I
understand them) are respected.  It fulfills my sense of aesthetic to
contribute to that vision.

My comment about understood commitments above is fraught with peril.  I
have on a number of occasions been told that I am contractually obliged
to, for instance, pay income taxes because there is an implied contract
between the US gubmint and myself.  I don't buy it.  I never will.  I
have the right not to enter that contract and my silence on the matter
doesn't automatically shove me into it.  On the other hand, I am allowed
to enter these 'implied' or 'understood' contracts when I want to.  And
I consider them equally binding on my behavior.

Does that cover it?  If not, feel free to ask again or point out holes.
This helps me to formalize my opinions.

Chris



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  Re: Pastel = Profit (Was Re: 2000 Dealer catalogue Removal Request Backfire?))
 
(...) One interesting question is how does one determine that someone has accepted an implied or understood contract? (...) Ok, now how are TLC's intellectual property rights different from the property rights of me for my LEGO collection? Or is the (...) (25 years ago, 10-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Pastel = Profit (Was Re: 2000 Dealer catalogue Removal Request Backfire?))
 
(...) I'm curious: Do you consider intellectual property rights to be a subset of property rights, or something totally separate? The original issue, I think, was at least partially about intellectual property rights. --Todd (25 years ago, 10-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: Pastel = Profit (Was Re: 2000 Dealer catalogue Removal Request Backfire?))
 
(...) I want to understand your point here better. The above reads to me that you only respect property rights when you have willingly entered into a contract with someone. Is this really true? Do I need to sign a contract with you before I let you (...) (25 years ago, 10-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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