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Re: The God Game!
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Date: 
Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:33:24 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Timothy Gould wrote:

   I’m making the point that atheism is as much of a leap of (not)faith as religion is a leap of faith.

I don’t want to start a whole big thing here, but I’d take issue with that statement as being too broad and non-specific.

Would you also argue that the statement “people who believe in God must make a leap of faith” is too broad and non-specific?

   One form of atheism--the belief that God does not exist--may require a leap of faith, but that’s not the only form. I, for example, do not believe that God exists, and a lack of belief requires no faith at all.

I would have to say that you are either an agnostic or you have made a leap of faith. It is my opinion that an atheist believes God does not exist and that is how I define the word. I suspect that you subscribe to the broader definition of atheism (that which includes agnosticism) and under your definition my statement is too broad.

So, to change your sentence to one that covers both our positions (italics my changes)

“One school of though of the definition of atheism--the belief that God does not exist--may require a leap of faith, but that’s not the only choice of definition. I, for example, do not believe that God exists, and a lack of belief requires no faith at all which I consider to be a form of atheism although some may call it agnosticism and not atheism.”

with which I completely agree.

   This has been discussed here previously, of course, and I’d be happy to point you to an earlier articulation of my view if you’d care to read it.

Dave!

Please do.


Tim



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  Re: The God Game!
 
(...) No, that sounds right on the money to me. Here are the statements that we need to consider: A. I believe that God exists. B. I do not believe that God does not exist. C. I believe that God does not exist D. I do not believe that God exists. A (...) (19 years ago, 25-Apr-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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  Re: The God Game!
 
(...) I don't want to start a whole big thing here, but I'd take issue with that statement as being too broad and non-specific. One form of atheism--the belief that God does not exist--may require a leap of faith, but that's not the only form. I, (...) (19 years ago, 25-Apr-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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