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Re: Santorum Fails In His Effort To Pervert The Constitution
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Fri, 23 Jul 2004 00:47:59 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Laswell wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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Sorry, why should he shut up about it?
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Not getting arrested seems like a good start. Also, breaking the law as a
means of trying to have it repealed tends to turn people against you on the
grounds that you’re one of “those” criminals instead of “us” law-abiding
citizens). Protest it all you want, as long as you don’t go around shouting
about how you’re flouting it. The willingness to be arrested in civil
protest is admirable, but you can lose the moral high ground when you
actively disobey the laws you’re protesting. It worked for Rosa Parks, but
it’s backfiring on this guy.
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So, “don’t ask, don’t tell”? “Ya I smoked pot but I didn’t inhale”? That sort of
thing? Is that the moral creed you espouse? Further, was Rosa Parks right or
wrong? How do you feel about civil disobedience as an instrument of change? How
about economic boycotts? (what actually brought down segregated buses)
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If it’s against the law and the law is worth enforceing, enforce it. If it’s
not worth enforcing, get rid of the law.
The law against polygamy is such a law. Not worth enforcing.
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There are a lot of laws that aren’t worth enforcing depending on the
situation. If you park 15” away from the curb, you’re breaking the law, but
it’s not worth making prosecuting you over it. If you park 15’ away from the
curb, however, the law is there so they can go after you.
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So marrying 2 wives (15” away from the curb) is OK but marrying 20 (15 feet from
the curb) isn’t? I’m not seeing the analogy, sorry.
Further, is it true that you support the notion of having laws just so it’s
convenient for the police to harass you, so that they have some excuse,
regardless of whether it makes sense or not?
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Very few police
will pull you over for going 1mph over the speed limit, and they would get
hopelessly bogged down if they stopped everyone who does, but you’ve got to
set a limit somewhere or you’re left either having people rocketing past
houses and schools at 90mph or having an abiguous definition of “too fast”
where police can legally decide that it’s okay for one person to drive 50mph,
but someone else could be breaking the law at 15mph.
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Reasonable and prudent speed seemed to be working OK for Montana.
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It turns out that it’s not so much that polygamy isn’t worth enforcing, but
that it’s very hard to prosecute if you’re quiet about it.
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That’s as may be but I’ve always stated that I think if you don’t believe in a
law, show some backbone and say so, don’t sneak around.
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Polygamous
husbands only marry one wife on paper, so the only way to prove that they’re
lying about all the “single” women they live with is to invade their privacy.
They know it’s happening, but that’s not good enough in court. Anyways, if
you want to read some disturbing side-effects of polygamy as it exists in
Utah, take a peek at this. Try to
explain how beating a 16-year-old girl because she refuses to become her own
uncle’s 15th wife is an acceptable side-effect of polygamy.
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Na, I won’t. That’s a straw dog as far as what I’ve said here, because I’ve
never been in favor of coercion when it comes to setting up contracts. I’m not
seeing informed consent in that case, are you?
I mean, at least
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Islam restricts you to four wives and requires that you be able to
financially support them and all of their children, instead of letting them
end up with 50-100 person inbred families that only survive by having all the
2+ wives illegally file for welfare as “single-parent families”.
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That sounds like an argument against welfare, not an argument against polygamy.
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