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Re: We'll take in your poor, your homeless, your oppressed...
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 8 Jul 2004 20:25:07 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> These are MLF answers mind you, not my personal view which is a bit muddier
>
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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> > > The Macho Libertarian Flash(tm) answer is that there is NO justification, short
> > > of actually being invaded by another sovereignty and needing to repel the
> > > attack, that justifies attack on another sovereign country.
> > >
> > > Nor is there any justification for preventing citizens from *volunteering* to
> > > fight on their own recognizance (with the proviso that they're on their own and
> > > no rescue will be forthcoming if they get captured) for or against a foreign
> > > power, or raising funds for causes they believe in.
> > >
> > > In that ideal answer there is no problem such as you pose, the answer is always
> > > no, you're not justified.
> > >
> > > The problem is, while it's a goal to be strived for, it's not a practical answer
> > > in all cases.
> >
> > Well, let's talk about this, then, and keep it entirely in the realm of
> > hypothetical.
>
> I suspect you're not going to do that but OK, I'll play along.
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> > Country A is oppressive.
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> Check.
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> > A majority of citizens of Country A decide to have a 'revolt' to shake off the
> > tyrannical oppressive gov't.
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> Check.
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> > Can the citizens get aid from other countries?
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> Not legitimately directly from other countries. Only from privateers who choose
> to aid them of their own free will.
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> > Can they call on Country B to
> > assist them in the overthrow?
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> They can call all they want but Country B can't legitimately actually aid them.
> Only its citizens, acting independently, can.
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> Therefore... (wait for it)
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> in the MLF view of the world, the American Revolution would have failed because
> France was illegitimately interfering!
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> See... I SAID it wasn't a completely practical viewpoint.
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> Er, did I take your counterargument away by beating you to it? Sorry bout that!
Nope, I was genuinely intersted to see where the debate would go--I don't have a
solid opinion on the matter, and this particular hypothetical scenario doesn't
pertain to the current Iraqi situation. I did think about the American
revolution, but I wasn't about to pounce and say, "Aha!". Let the debate flow,
I say.
Dave K
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