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(...) My favorite part: Saddam was also heartened by Mr. Bush's promise that, "The capture of Saddam Hussein does not mean the end of violence in Iraq." With new attacks by and on US and other foreign occupation forces, the former strongman stated, (...) (22 years ago, 16-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Some will be too quick to dismiss (URL) this article> as farce, but the underlying story is worth reflection. Dave! (22 years ago, 16-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think it still has legs! (...) Indeed the Bolsheviks and East Germany(?) did cancel their international debt (as well as nationalise industry and seize land) when they took power; being raving communists they had little sympathy for the (...) (22 years ago, 16-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's if the company has no assetts. Iraq has assets; I doubt the war would have happened otherwise. ;) Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 16-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The company/CEO analogy is a bit squiffy, we're talking about soverign nations, not corporations which presumably are a bit more constrained and tend to make contracts, not treaties. So it ought to be ditched as not very appropriate The proper (...) (22 years ago, 16-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Depends if the old CEO is responsible for bringing the company to its knees. Often when companies go into receivership the creditors receive a miniscule portion of what is owed. But generally those creditors are not barred from helping to (...) (22 years ago, 15-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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From Reuters: ((URL) ) - quote - When asked about the U.S. dollar's fall in value and market concerns about the deficit, Bush said: "We certainly need to send a signal to the capital markets that we're going to maintain spending discipline." - end (...) (22 years ago, 15-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why indeed. Sorry. :-0 Scott A Have you had a look at Arthurs Seat Yet? (2 URLs) (...) (22 years ago, 15-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't believe it belongs in .general either. I imagine it was an honest mistake, not a deliberate attempt to stir up controversy or circumvent the topic guidelines, although I could be wrong. LUGNET doesn't enable you to just pick up a post (...) (22 years ago, 15-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) Who else should pay it. When a company gets a new CEO, does its debt usually get wiped? (...) That may be a reason for some *individuals* to appose the invasion. However, it does not explain the millions across the world who opposed the war; (...) (22 years ago, 15-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm not really surprised are you. (...) Wait why would Iraq have a debt? Saddam's regime had a debt but what does that have to do with Iraq? Of course that is the only reason certain countries opposed military action in the first place. (...) (...) (22 years ago, 15-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let's put some fresh meat on these bones: (URL) Iraqi civilian deaths 'avoidable'> ==+== Human Rights Watch raises some serious questions about the way in which specific weapons were employed. It strongly criticises the use of cluster (...) (22 years ago, 12-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I liked this: (URL) Scott A (22 years ago, 12-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Hmm. One would think that open competitive bids would be in the best interests of US tax payers and Iraq citizens? Heard the latest: (URL) Oil firm 'overcharged' US in Iraq> Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 12-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Mmmmmm. I understand that these conditions (who may supply under these contracts) are in respect of the aid money being provided by the US. It would not be unheard of for donors to impose these sorts of conditions when giving money. I guess (...) (22 years ago, 12-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is an interesting question in the macro-sense: can the debts of a government that is overthrown be collected, especially if that government was corrupt and engaged in wholesale theft of its nation's resources? Is it comparable to a (...) (22 years ago, 12-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(URL) is very simple. Our people risk their lives. Friendly coalition folks risk their lives. And, therefore, the contracting is going to reflect that. And that is what the US taxpayers expect," Surprise, surprise, the invasion was more about (...) (22 years ago, 12-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh but of course... People speaking their minds is only good when they favour US policy. Eh, whatever. If you don't get this man out of office--if he wins in '04, heaven help the rest of the world. Dave K (22 years ago, 11-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(URL) Taiwan defends China referendum> It appears Bush is trying to suppress a Taiwanese referendum to please his new friends in China.... perhaps the Taiwanese should only be allowed Chinese style democracy? Scott A (22 years ago, 11-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Geez, the guy gets airlifted into/out of a war zone and he still needs his mother to stick up for him? Oh, that's right... "major hostilities" ended several months ago. (...) That's Senator FLOTUS to you! - Chris. (22 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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