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Re: Holy crap! (was Re: The partisian trap in California)
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Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:58:40 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote:
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What the ****?!
Belief has nothing to do with anything. Get it through your thick skulls.
The existence or non-existence of a possible god is not so far an observed
phenomena.
End of story.
If you want to believe in the bogeyman in the sky, go right ahead. Just don’t
you dare look at the rest of us strangely when we see no need to believe in
this mystical being ourselves. After all, the enormous leap of faith is not
performed on the atheistic or agnostic side of the equation...
I think it is called a “leap of faith” because it runs counter to all reason.
Get it?
-- Hop-Frog
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Well Hoppy,
I see that you’re on a tirade, and, for the most part, a perfectly
understandable one. However, your little rant above is not called for. I
didn’t mention at all my convictions, but am pointing out what may be a
reasonably debatable subject like what’s ‘inherent’ when one says ‘I believe’ or
‘I do not believe’.
Since you say that this has nothing to do with “believe”, you basically shut
down the arguement in its entirety. The one side only has the ‘belief’ that God
exists, and the other side only has the ‘belief’ that God doesn’t exist.
You talk about the scientific way of ‘observable phenomenon’, and I will have no
problem granting that the ‘theory of evolution’ as it is today and able to be
modified as new observations are made and quantified is the best explanation as
to how we’re here today, but science cannot encompass all. If it could, it
would be God, for that’s the very definition (I wanted to spell def’n but I
recall similar flack from using that shorthand).
Can something exist outside the realm of science? Something that cannot be
mesured today, or for all of time, with scientific instruments--something that
cannot be observed or quantified using the scientific process?
Can existence ‘exist’ outside scientific discovery? A great hypothetical debate
topic if I ever heard of one.
Your belief is ‘no--nothing can--all that there is can, and at some time in the
future will, be quantified using scientific principles.’ That is faith in
science--that it can ‘know or discover all’. That’s your basic premise--all
that can be known will be known thru science.
I believe that something can exist outside the scientific realm--I have faith
that God exists, and that he cannot be monitored, measured or discovered by the
scientific process. Hence the word ‘faith’--things that cannot be proven by
science.
Saying that “Science cannot prove (either now or anytime in the future) the
existence of God, therefore God does not exist” is the ludicrous assumption on
your part, and is equally absurd scientifically.
Dave K
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