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Re: Holy crap! Four out of five scientists claim....
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Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:00:22 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:

  
   Science does not pretend to have the answer to the origin of the universe. It has speculation, to be sure, and some ideas on how the creation of the universe progressed. ) It’s one of those questions that we don’t see the answer to now, but from a different vantage point may become clear.

What I am saying is that this particular question is unique and cannot, by definition, be answered by Science.

That’s called special pleading, and it’s a fallacy. It’s a double-standard based in circular reasoning and cannot be used in any logically sound argument.

  
   What you’re saying is that since science doesn’t have an answer at the moment, it will never come up with one.

Science will never come up with the answer period. Any speculation about the origin of the universe is pure flattery. Even if Science could prove that the entire universe began with all matter compressed into a sphere the size of a golf ball, it still can offer no explanation as to where matter came from in the first place.

Well, that’s as much a statement of faith as anything I’ve heard you make, and it borders on raw superstition. You claim that science will never know the answer solely on the basis of what science now knows. That’s equivalent to the statement, a few centuries ago, that we’d never be able to see microscopic objects because we could not currently see microscopic objects.

In fact, numerous “where did it all come from” solutions have already been posed, so science is certainly able at least to address the question. The problem is that, currently, we don’t have the tools to verify our hypotheses. All in good time.

But even if science doesn’t ever resolve the question, that doesn’t mean that God is the answer. To assume that God is the answer is a fallacy on numerous levels.

Dave!



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(...) I have to admit that I am surprised we are even debating this because I thought that there was consensus here. WRT to the origin of the universe, you say that "...we don't have the tools to verify our hypotheses. All in good time." Are those (...) (21 years ago, 16-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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(...) What I am saying is that this particular question is unique and cannot, by definition, be answered by Science. (...) Science will never come up with the answer period. Any speculation about the origin of the universe is pure flattery. Even if (...) (21 years ago, 16-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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