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Re: The partisian trap in California
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Sun, 5 Oct 2003 02:57:15 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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Though I do not condone the “groping” of women, I think his behavior in the
context of Hollyweird is probably par for the course. What is interesting
to me is that these women (some who remain to wish anonymous -- huh?) are
stepping up now just days before this election to reveal bad behavior
allegedly conducted almost 30 years ago! Puh-leeze.
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According to one guy who witnessed one of Arnold’s excesses, Arnold said
that’s how he did it in Austria, so Hollywood has nothing to do with it (in
fact, most of these incidents date to his pre-Hollywood period - maybe he
learned them at Young Republican meetings). ;-)
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So Liberals shouldn’t criticize his behavior lest they politically incorrectly
“judge” the morays of another culture;-) As for the Young Republican meetings--
I doubt he started attending them before his first million earned;-)
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And who cared before - just another crass foreigner. Now, if Arnold ran for
office 30 years ago, I think we would have heard of the incidents by now.
You question why some want to remain anonymous? I think the answer to your
question is evident in your own resposne.
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The timing, -->Bruce<--, the timing. If ever there were a classic example of
mud-slinging, this would be it. Or the nazi flap.
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But whatever, who can know the
truth of these wild allegations one hears about from time to time. It
doesn’t much matter to me.
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Agreed.
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Great! So, no complaints about Clinton in the future, right?
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As much as I prefer to never talk about Clinton again, I will say this. Okay, I
will even buy the consenting adult thing defense for Clinton (assuming part of
that consent came from Hillary). So he is a moral degenerate. What irked me
about him is that he didn’t have the testicles to admit it and move on-- he
hid behind lies and obfuscation. Take responsiblity for your actions, and if
you are too ashamed of them, then perhaps that says something about them. He’s
a spineless coward.
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Before you complain that Arnold is being treated unfairly by the media let
me assure you that this much airtime, for good or ill, makes him far and
away the most recognizable name on the ballot -- even if he were not a
famous international star, which he is!
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Say again? He already is by far and away the most recognizable candidate
without any “help” from the partisan hacks at the LA Slimes. And now with
their latest “revelation” that Arnold is a nazi, the verdict is in: LA
Times = partisan platform for the Left (which is okay, actually, but what I
object to is the dishonesty of them claiming to be “objective”. Disgusting
and pathetic).
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Do you actually read the Los Angeles Times on any regular basis in order to
form such an opinion, or is this just an attempt to shoot the messenger?
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Are you actually disagreeing with me, or just questioning the validity of my
opinion (which is mine, however stupid or ill-informed you may think it to be)
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The media’s intense interest in Arnold’s bid
for governor has become a de facto endorsement precisely because of all the
free air time this bozo is getting. I would not be the least surprised by
his winning the governorship next week, not at all.
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You must mean network television-- the LA Slimes is trying its best to
derail Arnold’s gubernatorial bid! Even then, I think the only de facto
desire on the part of the media is to make $$$;-)
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Wait...network TV? As in what kneejerk-conservatives think is the heart of
“the liberal media”? So....it isn’t liberal?
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Richard is asserting (I think) that network TV endorses Arnold because the print
media (ie the LAT) certainly isn’t IMO. Since I don’t watch TV, I don’t know if
he is right or wrong about that. My only opinion about network TV is that they
will show anything that will make them a buck (including juicey gossip, etc).
They care about ratings, and if “scandal” boosts ratings, then lead with it!
Don Henley nailed network news in “Dirty Laundry”:
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Or is Arnold really a liberal,
but if that is the case, why is the liberal (ahahahahaha!) Los Angeles Times
torpedoing him? Why not torpedo the real conservative, McClintock?
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Because they know that he doesn’t have a chance to win.
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I will tell you why. You are correct that Republicans would much prefer
McClintock, but they are taking a realist stand in this recall. By the
numbers, it is felt that McClintock cannot win, and so Republicans are
holding their noses and voting for the lesser of 2 evils-- Arnold over Davis
(no recall). The (R) after Arnold’s name might possibly be a powerful tool
in Bush’s re-election bid.
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Translation: they tried with Bill Simon and figured out that perhaps they
really are right-wing wackos.
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Possibly.
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“Sheep to the
slaughter,” says I. I have seen enough stuff to confirm for myself that
Arnold is just a puppet Republican.
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Are you kidding me? He is a Republican nightmare! A fiscal conservative
but a social LIBERAL! Eek:-) In reality, the guy is probably the perfect
compromise between Repubicans and Democrats!
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A liberal who believes in a balanced budget who fools around a lot. Does
this sound like Clinton reborn or what? I take it you are a big Clinton
supporter, then? :-)
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You assume I like Arnold, about whom I am not rabid. The best thing he has
going for him is that he is an “outsider”, which is almost enough. After all, I
voted for Jesse:-)
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The idea is that at least the state is in the hands of a “Republican”. We
shall see how he fares.
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Until the Democrats abuse the recall procedure in the exact same fashion and
recall Arnold for his excesses.
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Well, I suppose that they are legally entitled to try...
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Think about it, Richard. Arnold is that man. He is no normal Republican
and he isn’t a Democrat. He is an outsider. This is exactly how Jesse
Ventura got elected in Minnesota-- we were tired of “politics as usual”.
Jesse did some good things, and Arnold will do good things.
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Jesse was exactly what anyone should have expected from a fake sport. The
voters realized their stupidity and ran him out on a rail.
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FAKE SPORT???? TAKE THAT BACK! ;-) Actually, he wasn’t run out on a rail; he
decided not to run for re-election.
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The secret is not to vote third party. Nothing will ever change (or at
least for a long, long time) that way. New ideas need to infiltrate the
parties and change must come from within. Arnold will soon be in the china
shop-- perhaps he will be able to break some glass while he is in office.
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The secret IS to vote third party. Both parties need to be punished in my
opinion.
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A classic case of cutting off your nose to spite your face. Let’s face it--
Ralph Nadar is responsible for Bush being in office rather than Gore. Think
about it. You may not have liked Gore, but I’ll bet you would have liked him
better than Bush;-)
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Your bigotry aside, I have to wonder: How do Democrats preserve freedom
more than Republicans? They want government to run and regulate
everything. That’s not supporting freedom in my view.
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Republicans want to regulate my bedroom, so forgive me if I disagree with
your claims. They just want to regulate different things. If I want
across-the-board less regulation, I’d vote Libertarian rather than
hypocritical Republican.
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The Democratic party has been hijacked by Leftist wackos, and they are
starting to feel the effects of it-- losing elections. Party ideas can
change, and real change will only come from within them. A good start
would be to take career politicans from both sides and line them up and
shoot them;-)
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This is an extremely amusing comment: the Republicans LOST (as in the
pathetic Gray Davis waxed them) precisely because the right-wing wackos
hijacked the party and put up a bozo instead of the
unacceptably-not-right-wing-wacko Richard Riordan (the Democrats put up an
incompetent middle-of-the-roader and won). The same Richard Riordan Arnold
agreed to consult with regarding announcing running for governor because of
the recall (they figured they were too much alike and didn’t want to hurt
each other), whom Arnold promptly stabbed in the back with his surprise
announcement so he could get in the pre-emptive announcement. Riordan
clearly didn’t watch Pumping Iron (Arnold would give his opponents
disinformation when they sought his advice).
And my bet? Arnold wins, his wife convinces him to switch to the Democrats,
and the Republicans recall him.
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lol
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:-O
-->Bruce<--
League of Green-Eyed Devils
(Hey! I can’t do my Edvard Munch’s The Scream emoticon anymore because of
the underline in formatted text...boo!)
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It’s just as well.... people now associate the scream emoticon with Home Alone
anyway...:-)
JOHN
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| (...) A cute answer (heck, you got me to laugh with you!), but it doesn't deal with the substance of the claims. I think we are up to 15 accusers, a number that will no doubt grow. (...) Of course the timing is suspect. Then again, sometimes it (...) (21 years ago, 6-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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