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Re: Latter Day Saints (was:Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color))
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Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:05:48 GMT
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John DiRienzo <ig88888888@stlnet.com> wrote
> Moz (Chris Moseley) wrote in message ...
> > NZ was formed by treaty between its inhabitants and the Bristish crown,
> > after a period during which the British failed miserably to subdue or
> > exterminate the Maori.
> Anyway, who are the Maori? Sounds like beings from Star Wars.
The people who arrived in NZ before the white ones. Between about 500AD and
about 1500AD there were several waves of Polynesian immigrants, followed
by the "discovery" of NZ by Abel Tasman, and the subsequent rediscovery
by Thomas Cook. It was all quite exciting there for a while.
> So you are saying that the Brits and people in power in New Zealand
> decided against using genocide, because they weren't capable of carrying it
> out?
Correct. That's at least part of the reason. I mean, they also failed in
Australia but that didn't help the Aborigines. The fact the the Maori
defeated the British on several occaisions may have helped :) Embarrassing
to report that naked savages using sticks and stones drove off a large
party armed with muskets and inflicted serious casualties. Do not play
games you don't understand with people who fight for a living, boys
and girls. The brits should have seen the first pa (fortified village)
and thought about why the Maori would build something so obviously costly
and hard to attack. You see, gentlemen like Te Raparaha were fond of touring
the country raping and pillaging, and a pa was a good investment at such
a time. And the brits did not quite know what to do about Te Raparaha, as
he was nearly as dishonest as they were, and a lot more ruthless. Combine
that with the Ghandi-like behaviour of another group at Parihaka and
the widespread habit of selling the same land to every whitey that came
along, and the brits got quite confused. It didn't help that the Maori
have a clue or two when it comes to diplomacy, and were quite into the
game of playing one bunch of settlers off against another (we had poms,
frogs, prussians and various other pakeha (white people) running round
in different places). One group even sent a pair of envoys to visit the
queen at home, and they managed not to get treated as zoo animals.
So no, NZ was not settled in the traditional fashion used by the British
Empire at the time.
Oh, and the French still sulk regularly because NZ farmers are competant,
(as do the US ones incidentially) and they sank the Rainbow Warrior in
Auckland, much to the annoyance of all concerned. Somewhat embarrassing
to have two highly trained espionage experts caught by a Police force
that usually deals only with drug smuggling and car theft. And a real
pisser to be paraded round the world as committing acts of terrorism
against supposedly friendly countries. Actually, there is one other thing
the USA and France have in common throuigh their kiwi connection - NZ
is nuclear free, and the French were nearly as pissed off about that
as the USA was.
To give you some idea, NZ Police still don't carry guns as of habit, and
they had to change the law to allow your presidential bodyguard to be
armed, as normally pistols and any concealed weapons are utterly banned.
Moz
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