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| | | (...) Agreed. Equal protection under the law means that the government (which has the force initiation monopoly, remember) has to take all unlawful actions seriously. These people making threats need to be found and prosecuted, in my view. (...) I'm (...) (22 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Patriotism or Mass Hysteria? —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | (...) Actually, it must be remembered that the government, then using force in accordance with written law, is exercising contract enforcement, which is 100% approved by Libertarian philosophy. Maybe I don't like it, maybe you don't like it, but (...) (22 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Patriotism or Mass Hysteria? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) That's not a settled point, so I'd wish you wouldn't assert it as if it were. (...) Nor is that settled. But larger-ly, what's the bearing? Do you disagree that a just government (whether you think a non libertarian government is just or not) (...) (22 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Patriotism or Mass Hysteria? —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | (...) You're kidding, right? You're saying, in effect, that you are free to assert your opinions as facts, but I'm held to a higher rhetorical standard? (...) Since you're the one on the outside making the claim contrary to the existing system, it (...) (22 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Patriotism or Mass Hysteria? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) No, we're to the same standard I would say. (...) There's no better defense than the market of ideas in this sphere but I do not have to prove a point to your satisfaction or else "cede" it. There are other possible outcomes. (...) Well... (...) (22 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Patriotism or Mass Hysteria? —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | (...) Pardon? If we're held to the same standard, then why do you feel free to dispense little nuggets as if they're revealed truth, but you require me to prove my arguments? (...) Let's hear them. Perhaps, instead of saying "you" in that context, I (...) (22 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Patriotism or Mass Hysteria? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Neither prove nor cede, merely leave it as an acknowledged point of disagreement. (22 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Patriotism or Mass Hysteria? —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | (...) I can go with that. Might come up again in the future though, depending on circumstance. Dave! (22 years ago, 27-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Patriotism or Mass Hysteria? —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | (...) I disagree. There should be no grey area here: you either have the right of unfettered assembly or you do not. The government has no right to infiltrate a group on the mere suspicion that they will act violently. Please see: (URL) not quite (...) (22 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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