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Re: Latter Day Saints (was:Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color))
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Mon, 6 Sep 1999 23:16:55 GMT
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Simon Robinson wrote:
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> > 1 - Different spheres. However, someone with a world view that's "wrong"
> > has to prove themselves to be reliable to me before I trust them(2). All
> > my factorees have. And even if I am wrong about them I can still make
> > the buyers right anyway, if I had to. Not that it would come to that.
> >
> > 2 - recall that I have said in the past that people with flawed morals
> > are people that I don't implicitly trust because they have come out and
> > said things like "it's OK to take from the rich and give to the poor" so
> > that makes me wonder, since I'm "rich" (-er than them, anyway), whether
> > they are going to take from ME by not completing a deal... their morals
> > seem say it's OK. So I tend to be suspicious till I build up some
> > experience.
>
> As one of your factorees :) and so I assume one of the people you
> are talking about
> I rather resent the implication that my political views could have any
> bearing on how trustworthy I might be in any trading.
I think Chris did a pretty good job of explaining why I do in fact
consider everything when making decisions about trust. Why wouldn't I
use every shred of evidence available to me when making them?
> I think that when you're trading on the Internet, you've got very little
> protection against someone who isn't honest in their dealings. And
> because of that it's quite reasonable to be wary of anyone you've
> not dealt with until you've had enough experience to build up some
> trust. But to try and link trust to political views in the way you
> just have sucks.
I'm not sure what to say here, but it IS what I do and I'm not going to
apologise for it. My world view, which is right there out on the table
for everyone to examine, says that once I make a deal I am honor bound
to follow through on it. I'm not sure that's as true for someone who
espouses "from each according to their ability, to each according to
their need...".
Now, I think someone claiming to be a Libertarian is a pretty weak piece
of evidence in favor of them being trustworthy compared to experiential
evidence gained by doing deals, and someone claiming to be a Marxist is
a pretty weak piece of evidence against them being trustworthy compared
to... but I would be foolish to ignore it.
Having said that, just about(1) every one of my factors, including you,
is someone I would vouch for as being an extremely reliable trading
partner, and the one that isn't, I am dealing with. I built that
feeling up by trading, by observing trades, and so forth. So it's a lot
more reliable than political leanings.
1 - There is one who is "on probation" right now. I won't smear that one
person by naming names, but I am closely watching and I am ready to take
steps if I need to. So prospective buyers needn't worry.
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