 | | Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water.... —John Neal
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| | | (...) Okay, I was thinking in terms of *major* global conflicts, such as war. More specifically, I'm looking for examples of diplomacy effectively dealing with an aggressor (nation or entity). JOHN (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water.... —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | (...) Cuban Missle Crisis. Defused through diplomacy. Both sides got something they wanted. Perceptually Kruschev lost, and was deposed eventually because of it. -->Bruce<-- (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water.... —Pedro Silva
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| | | | | (...) Also, the Morrocan "affairs", in 1904 and 1907, between Germany and France. Things were *hot* back then (for the time standards, that is). Pedro (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water.... —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) Huh?? Defused through us blockading Cuba and threatening to go to war if the missiles weren't removed, then refusing to blink. That would be more like it, I would say. Diplomacy was only the communication channel, not the defuser. Oh, and (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water.... —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | (...) But we did blink, if not quite as hard and fast. That's the whole point. Both sides had escalated the confrontation to the point that neither saw a way out, but continuing it was too horrifying for words. Only through diplomacy was the (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water.... —John Neal
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| | | | (...) Big stick diplomacy is not the same as "diplomacy". Without strength, diplomacy is impotent, as Larry pointed out. One cannot negotiate from a position of weakness. That is why having a strong America is so good for the world-- because of the (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water.... —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | (...) Of course it is. The implied threat of force in disputes of this nature is part of the diplomacy. It is not a simplistic, "Do as ah sez or I'll hurt youz real bad," - unless you are incompetent, that is, or simply bent on war ("Violence is the (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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