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Re: Those stupid conservative (was liberal) judges are at it again!
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Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:28:59 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richie Dulin writes:
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
Me either. Duty needs to be taken on voluntarily. It may get you extra
privs, but it shouldn't be forced.

Voluntary duty? I think that's a contradiction by any normal definition of
'duty'.

Paraphrasing from Merriam Webster...

- conduct due to parents and superiors
- obligatory tasks that arise from one's position
- a moral or legal obligation

Check.

OK, how about a "duty" that it's OK to shirk, but that if you don't shirk,
gets you something extra, some privilege (I just can't spell that word!)
you'd normally not get. (c.f. _Starship Troopers_ in which only those that
served in the defense forces got to vote... an example that has been given
here before, so not looking to set off a big discussion on why the movie
doesn't live up to the intent of the author of the book, etc... but if
people want to, why, feel free!)

That's not quite the dictionary definition but it's what I have in mind.

I really don't want to be defended by conscript police (c.f. Clockwork
Orange) or drafted armies, and I don't want to be tried by people who
desperately don't want to be on jury duty but would rather be somewhere else.

I want to be tried by a jury of my *peers*, that is, people who think it's
an honor to be called for jury duty, intend to pay close attention to the
facts of the case as presented, and the laws that are claimed to apply, and
will make a decision to the best of their abilities on both the justness of
the law and the validity and applicability of the facts.

That's my approach to jury duty anyway, whenever I've been called.

Helps?



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  Re: Those stupid conservative (was liberal) judges are at it again!
 
(...) Fair enough. Duty is not the word I would have chosen, but I would more or less agree with you on this, although I'm not sure that attaching something extra or some privilege is appropriate. (...) I've seen terms defined on LUGNET which are a (...) (22 years ago, 25-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: Those stupid conservative (was liberal) judges are at it again!
 
(...) Voluntary duty? I think that's a contradiction by any normal definition of 'duty'. Paraphrasing from Merriam Webster... - conduct due to parents and superiors - obligatory tasks that arise from one's position - a moral or legal obligation (...) (22 years ago, 24-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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