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Re: Evolution vs Scientific Creationism
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:21:32 GMT
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> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > > Creators are not falsifyable. Therefore it takes no position on them.
> > > (It so happens *I* take a position on them as implausible, but that is not
> > > relevant to this discussion)
> > Would you say that it is possible to talk about events prior to the big bang
> > without referring to religion?
> It is not possible to meaningfully talk about events prior to the big bang
> (1) at this time. Period. With or without religion. (except in the negative
> sense of saying that we can't talk about them as we have no frame of
> reference and no way to gather data) Science makes no claim to be able to do so.
> What game are you playing here? I reserve the right to clarify and extend my
> remarks after it is clear what trap you are trying to lay.
Am I *that* transparent? :-)
So regarding events prior to the Big Bang, all we have are opinions which may
or may not be based upon religion. To say that a Creator started it all or to
say that it all just happened are equally neutral. Would that be a fair
assessment?
(luring you further and further in;-)
-John
> 1 - defined as the start of everything
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| (...) A "fairer" assessment would be that, regarding issues which we cannot verify even in principle, science makes no statement. Similarly, some people (myself included) might say that, since we have no basis for making a determination, it is (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
| | | Re: Evolution vs Scientific Creationism
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| (...) No, not actually. Scenario 1: a creator and the kernel of the universe (2 elements) Scenario 2: the kernel of the universe itself (1 element) All things being otherwise equal, I would tend to choose the scenario with the fewest assertions. The (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) It is not possible to meaningfully talk about events prior to the big bang (1) at this time. Period. With or without religion. (except in the negative sense of saying that we can't talk about them as we have no frame of reference and no way to (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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