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Re: Evolution vs Scientific Creationism
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:27:53 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> Reason is our evolutionary advantage. If you can't or won't reason, you're
> repudiating your humanity. I'm an elitist. Deal.
Let me play off this idea for a minute...
The problem with faith-based assertions in a category like debate is that it
tends to operate as a trump card of a kind. Faith-based assertions are not
logical -- they skip over such a concern and go straight to faith, after all
-- so it is ultimately impossible to refute such assertions by logical
means. When someone argues an issue from a faith perspective they are
begging to be taken to task for their personal beliefs. It tends to get VERY
personal -- how could it be otherwise when there is no other basis for
attacking the opinion except as a personally held opinion? The reason I
wrote that it operates as a kind of trump card is that the person using such
an argument is hoping that they won't be called on it -- and if they are,
they have an automatic indignant reply waiting in their pocket. After that,
it becomes impossible to tell that there was even any pretense of having a
proper debate -- the whole mess degenerates into the usual mud-slinging. It
has the additional *benefit* of reducing the person that wants to have a
logical debate on a subject to a person that is making emotional personal
attacks -- which is right where the faith asserting person wants them to be:
the person that normally uses logic as the basis for their claims suddenly
looks like a faith-bashing hooligan. Let's just not forget that the faith
asserting person is a logic-bashing hooligan.
I have no problems with people having faith-based beliefs. I have a problem
with people attempting to argue faith as if it were logical or had any place
in anything like a formal debate. Faith-based arguments are always non
sequitur -- because by definition they are conclusions that do not follow
from logical premises.
Hand of God (HOG) techniques work only on minifigures, not on debates.
-- Hop-Frog
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Message is in Reply To:
 | | Re: Evolution vs Scientific Creationism
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| In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Eaton writes: <snippety snip> (...) I'm OK with that view! (does that come as a shock to anyone???) Reason is our evolutionary advantage. If you can't or won't reason, you're repudiating your humanity. I'm an (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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