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Re: Evolution vs Scientific Creationism
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:01:37 GMT
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David Eaton wrote:
> Essentially, there *is* no "before" the Big Bang. Humans perceive time (and
> space for that matter) as some sort of Newtonian line, going forever
> backwards and forwards-- but really, it's not. Energy defines time, and visa
> versa. Hence, with no energy, there's no time, and without time, there's no
> energy. And since matter & energy are the same, yadda yadda... Basically the
> answer is that it's a big kludge, and the question is kinda making
> assumptions it shouldn't be making.
That's basically the conclusion that I came to. When someone asks "well
then where did the universe and all this stuff come from?", I reply "Can
you phrase that question without invoking within it concepts of
spacetime itself?" (i.e. cause & effect, here or there, etc.)
Science makes no guarantee that spacetime concepts apply to any ideas or
theories "outside" our known universe.
One could argue that the notion that God created the universe or caused
the big bang is no more or less a valid theory in this case. Who knows?
I would say however that such a view requires some personal bias and
unsubstantiated assumptions in that it again evokes spacetime concepts
in it's explanation (cause and effect: the actions of God caused the
creation of the universe, energy came from somewhere or from God etc.)
Again that doesn't make this particular idea wrong, but anytime you make
assumptions without any supporting evidence you are going out on a limb.
I prefer to play the safer odds and not make such assumptions in the
questions I ask.
--
J. Spencer Rezkalla
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| (...) I think my own explanation is that your question forces conditions that weren't. Like me asking you if you stopped killing babies or some nonsense like that, since you never *were* killing babies in the first place. Essentially, there *is* no (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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