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Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Tue, 2 Jul 2002 20:26:58 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes:
> Saying that Dubya cannot say 'God' either as himself or as his position
> because it goes contrary to the separation of C & S is ludicrous at best.
> Dubya has the freedom to say as he pleases--that's what the little blurb
> from the WW was a bout, as well as your own Freedom of Speech.
Freedom of Speech can be restricted by requirements of circumstance and
profession. If W announced that we were about to obliterate Canada with
nuclear bombardment and said that we've just launched the missiles, would
you say "oh, that's just a guy exercising his Free Speech" or would you
expect the United States to issue some sort of explanation. In my job I'm
not free to discuss certain matters with non-employees; that's not
un-Constitutional; that's protection of privileged material. Even here on
LUGNET some people are in possession of sensitive LEGO-related information
that they're not free to divulge.
> About the pledge--it's not the issue--the issue there is bullies. Was it
> the Pledge who beat up the kids at recess? Was it the Pledge that threw the
> first punch?
You're caricaturing; the issue is that the State, in the form of The
School, enforces policy. The School (ie, the State) is the bully. To reduce
it to a playground brawl is either to attack a straw man or else a serious
misunderstanding of the issue.
> I wore a cub scout uniform to school every Tuesday, for my cub meeting was
> after school down at the park. Did wearing the uniform cause some grief in
> class and/or on the playground? Sure, but in the grande scheme of things...
> whatever...
But that's no good in real life. I know a guy who lost both legs in an
industrial accident; does that mean that no one who still has legs has a
right to complain when they hurt? If your logic is correct, all we need to
do is find the person who's suffered the most, and the rest of us can all
shut up.
> This reminds me of a Calvin & Hobbes cartoon, when Calvin put
> on his dad's glasses, walked into the living room and said 'Calvin, go do
> something you hate--it builds character' in his best dad's voice. I always
> loved that strip.
Cartoons and primetime melodramas forming your understanding of US
national policy; what goes on above the border?!? 8^)
> Appealing to athiests by taking the word 'God' out of institutional
> vocabulary [raises no bar].
Again, you're mischaracterizing the issue. It's not "athiests vs.
Christians." It's people who favor separation of church and State vs.
people who don't object to State endorsement of religion.
Dave!
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