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Re: Violence created by presence of guns? (was: Gotta love Oracle...)
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Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:59:22 GMT
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However, these arguments ignore some important factors.

The arguments aren't even concerned with factors.  There is a simple and plain
correlation between lawful gun ownership and decreased violent crime.  The
numbers are there.  Why this is true is not well understood and something
about which we can conjecture.  But it really just _is_ that way.

... within the US, because there is always a place nearby where it is easy
to get arms.

Also, they will be bit quicker shooting their victims whenever they suspect
one of them is reaching for a gun.

Quicker than they are now?  What makes you think so?

Quicker in the US than in Europe, for example. What makes me think so is the
simple difference between how the average Europe Gas Station robbery differs
from what I have seen to happen in the US.

So, even if you assume the number of
badies and their illegal actions remains constant, their impact will
increase.

I don't assume it will remain constant.  It will drop.  It has done so in each
and every venue studied.  There are notable accounts of sociologists setting
out to prove how bad certain gun-freeing legislation has been terrible for a
community, who are turned by the data into gun advocates.  If you are open to
the truth, it is your only option.

Again, I suspect this can only be true if the legislation makes it harder
for the "good" people to get armed than it does for the badies. Which
generally is true when we are talking individual legislation of US states or
even smaller units.

:wq

Horst (who is a bit behind in reading news ...)



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  Re: Violence created by presence of guns? (was: Gotta love Oracle...)
 
(...) Which every single piece of legislation I've ever seen (except for legislation REPEALING gun control law) does. (23 years ago, 24-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Violence created by presence of guns? (was: Gotta loveOracle...)
 
(...) Yes - easier to illegally get arms. I could get an illegal gun MUCH easier than a legal gun, yet I choose to wait and get one following the ridiculous laws of this state. How does the ease of illegal acquisition for criminals affect the fact (...) (23 years ago, 29-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: Violence created by presence of guns? (was: Gotta love Oracle...)
 
(...) They are already. Guns are A) a hassle to get most places, B) expensive, and C) highly regulated as is. (...) It might, in fact, reduce the number of school shootings. I'm not convinced of this, but I'm willing to concede that it might. But I (...) (23 years ago, 14-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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