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Re: Ok, show me where I have lied? Or apologise.
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Mon, 22 Oct 2001 13:56:48 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
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> > *Sigh* Still no answer.
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> *sigh* Still no reading comprehension.
Oops. I take back what I just wrote.
> However, if it will make you shut up, here's an example of a lie:
But Larry, you know it won't.
> "the LP is a White Man's Club"
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> If you had retracted that statement after it was shown to be false (one
> nonwhite member or female member disproves it, and surely you aren't going
> to say the LP has none)
I disagree. (I also disagree with Scott's assertion about the LP.)
An organization coule be essentially a "white man's club" and still have a
token black lady as a member. Surely you recognize that. But this doesn't
describe the LP even if membership is fairly dominated by white (whatever that
is) males.
> and apologised, that would be one thing. But you
> used it repeatedly, starting a big messy war, and you continue to use it to
> this day as an insult even though it is false.
Since your logic (of one black lady as a member) doesn't disprove Scott's
assertion, I think it will take more work to say that this is a lie. Actually,
I think it's Scott's slanted communitarian opinion, but not really a lie. And
I think he's wrong, not because of any trends in actual membership, but because
the LP would be adamantly opposed to practices designed to limit membership
based either on ethnicity or sex. Those practices are what defind our
understanding of "white man's club."
> That's a deliberate lie, repeated many times on your part for derogatory
> effect, not just an accidental misstatement retracted as soon as it was
> shown to be inaccurate.
I certainly agree that was intentionally derogatory and repeated to either
damage the LP (less likely) or to set your underwear on fire (much more
likely).
some thoughts,
Chris
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Message has 3 Replies:
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| (...) "the LP is a White Man's Club" was caricature which is now being taken out of context. I know that. Larry knows that. When I used the phrase I was questioned on the race issue. I was able to rapidly find two instances where the LP’s view on (...) (23 years ago, 22-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
| | | One day my name will be in lights!
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| (...) This is what Larry does not get. I could be wrong by calling the LP a WMC (by his interpretation of the meaning of WMC). The way to solve that is show why I am wrong. To say I am a liar, Larry would 1st have to show (by his interpretation of (...) (23 years ago, 22-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
| | | Re: Ok, show me where I have lied? Or apologise.
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| (...) No. Had Scott said "the LP is disproportionately skewed demographically to males and caucasians" that would be one thing. It's even something I've said myself in the past, along with other observations about makeup. But to say it is a "White (...) (23 years ago, 23-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Ok, show me where I have lied? Or apologise.
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| (...) *sigh* Still no reading comprehension. You got all the apology you're going to get. However, if it will make you shut up, here's an example of a lie: "the LP is a White Man's Club" If you had retracted that statement after it was shown to be (...) (23 years ago, 22-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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