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In lugnet.loc.pt, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Pedro Silva writes:
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> > Crime has a natural tendency to rise, in any situation - maybe because
> > population also increases, or social instability, or whatever causes crime.
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> Disagree. Do you have any cites on that? This is such a multivariable
> problem I'd be surprised if anyone can produce cites that demonstrate
> anything, although I'm certainly fond of the ones that seem to indicate that
> right to carry states tend to have lower crime rates... although it's a
> tough comparision, no two states (or no two years for the same state) are
> the same sort of apple.
No, I'm afraid I do not have any cites. But I have never heard of any place
where crime rate was low *and kept descending* in a constant way. The
contrary seems however verifiable in most places of Earth where human
presence is felt significanty. Crime increases where I live, and any
punctual decrease in crime rate is exactly that: punctual. It will increase
again. Maybe it will reach a point of equilibrium when crime causes hit
stability, whatever the causes are.
Of course, I agree with you that crime is a multivariable problem. But it
seems to me the highest crime rates are verified in places where many people
live *concentrated*, and where society is less balanced. Please note I am
restricting to Violent Crimes, those committed with guns; other sorts of
crime are way out of my interest.
For instance, Scandinavian countries are scarcely populated and quite
balanced in wealth distribution, and have a moderate (low, maybe) crime
rate. Seems supportive.
On the other end, Brazil: Too few too rich, too many too poor. Overcrowded
metroplis, in São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro. As a result, we here (Portugal)
have been watching a constant inflow of brazilian middle-class, claiming to
be afraid of everyday violence. Same is happening in Australia with South
Africans.
In the US case, I can only speculate (and assume my ignorance about the
following matter). Maybe "right to carry states" are more like Scandinavia
than Brazil, as for populational density and wealth. I dunno.
> ++Lar (I bet Bruce could make meaningful comparisions if it weren't for the
> fact that he burned his hands boiling water in them though.)
Sorry, didn't understand what you meant. Bruce? Burnt hands? You managed to
disorient me here, mate.
Cheers,
Pedro
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