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Re: National vote on handguns?
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Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:46:29 GMT
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Wow, an honest-to-gosh personal opinion that I can agree with...to bad some
of the masses here are pick it apart for all it's worth...
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes:
> Hey Y'all:
>
> I am amazed at the variety of subjects y'all are willing to debate here --
> everything from polyamory, to Larry and Scott, to gun control. I have taken
> part once or twice before, but boy! -- some of you are hard-core!
>
> This time, I'll step in here against my pal, Mr. Jassim. ::waves::
>
> I think our system in the states is a republic and not a democracy. A point
> well worth making. I also think our system is a constitutional system,
> another point well worth making. Lastly, we have a system based on the
> "inalienable" rights of individuals. That's probably the most important
> point one could make. But I am NOT relying upon a document for my beliefs.
> The document symbolizes what I believe, but it is not the belief itself.
> Instead, I have an ethic of rights I got from the "Enlightenment." Stuff like:
>
> "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal;
> that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and inalienable rights;
> that among these, are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to
> secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their
> just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of
> government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people
> to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its
> foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to
> them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."
> --Declaration of Independence as originally written by Thomas Jefferson,
> 1776. ME 1:29, Papers 1:315
>
> I would append a small note to the above quote to state that most
> constitutional scholars take the phrase "pursuit of happiness" to mean
> "property." The word "property" is a HUGE word in terms of its legal import
> and I would certainly suggest to anyone interested that they learn more
> about it. That word will take you practically everywhere you need to go in
> understanding your rights. [N.B. another really cool word is "allodial" --
> try it, you'll like it.]
>
> My ultimate point is that y'all can legislate, and call referendum's, and do
> anything you want. I am proud to a be a a radical conservative in the
> Jeffersonian mold and I will NOT relinquish my right and duty to be armed no
> matter what y'all come up with. I consider being armed an inalienable right
> that allows me to come to the aid and defense of myself, my loved ones, my
> country, and fellow countrymen. Yes, just as simple as that.
>
> I don't belong to the NRA. I don't want to hurt anyone. But when push
> comes to shove, watch out for the guy with the 12 guage riot control
> shotgun! What that means is that if you come to my home unbidden (say in the
> middle of the night and fingering my best Lego MOCs), I will shoot in your
> general direction and make human hamburger out of you (Yes, I chose a gun I
> could use without my glasses being on). It also means that if I see you
> shooting people in the street, I will take you out of your own misery and
> everyone else's. What have I done with my gun since I have owned it?
> Mostly I just clean it. Sometimes I take it out shooting to blow the crap
> out of something -- usually it makes big bits into very teeny tiny bits --
> it being extremely efficient at that one task. Mostly, I try to just keep
> it oiled and happy. Before I let anyone EVEN TOUCH my gun I usually harangue
> them with about 45 minutes of talk on gun safety and use (You never know
> --it could be the first time they have heard it). Sadly, I am not kidding.
> I am a safety nut. Children do not handle my gun -- not ever. I don't have
> children of my own, but on the occassions when my nephew and neice have
> stayed with me, I can assure you they did not have access to my gun. Yeah,
> I am Mr. Crazy with a gun! That's me.
>
> One last point about The Constitution. I tend to agree with most of it,
> especially most of the original document and the ten points amended to it.
> I also think that most of the unhappiness some of us have with our current
> form of government has to do with our government not operating under the
> constitution, but actually in opposition to what is therein written. Before
> we talk of rewriting the thing, how about we just try playing by the rules
> for once? If you want to rewrite it, you had best find me a James Madison
> or a Thomas Jefferson to do it too!
>
> If y'all want to discuss something that might ACTUALLY matter, how about we
> talk about The Federal Reserve? I'd be curious to know what everyone knows
> about it. Follow the money trail...that's where it's at! This anti-gun
> talk is more like "bread and circuses" -- something to keep us occupied
> while the powers that be fleece us!
>
> -- Hop-Frog (his froggy eye on the prize)
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| (...) Well, I wasn't going to, but as long as you insist... (...) Jefferson was accounted a liberal. He didn't follow tradition - he broke it. (...) Oh dang - it was a fireman responding to a call and now you are up for manslaughter! Sorry, you (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| Hey Y'all: I am amazed at the variety of subjects y'all are willing to debate here -- everything from polyamory, to Larry and Scott, to gun control. I have taken part once or twice before, but boy! -- some of you are hard-core! This time, I'll step (...) (23 years ago, 22-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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